[gothic-l] Re: Solidi

[troels_brandt]

Dirk,

As I from the beginning stated: Now we are in an area, where I know
you are the expert. I have no knowledge about the facts, but I read
the sources you refer to when available to me.

I agree that the interpretations of Fagerlie are untenable and want
(as already mentioned Thursday) to keep the interpretations out of
the discussion for the moment, but this does not consequentially make
her registrations of the solidi wrong (she specificly refers to
identical dies).

First you told us, that all the solidi in Scandinavia were Byzantine
and you referred to Fagerlie as source yourself. You also told that
the mint stamp was easy to decide from the coins. I mentioned the age
of the source (30 years).

Later you referred to a website stating that all golden Byzantine
solidi were from the mint of Constantinople, and you confirmed this,
when I asked to be sure. You emphasized that coins under Theodoric
also were made at Italian mints in the names of Anastasius and
Justin, but in the same letter you stated that the coins in
Scandinavia did not come from Italy (MSG 5485 - and earlier 5326).

Friday Tore provided us with the conclusions of Fagerlie. There I
read her stating that an increasing number of the solidi in
Scandinavia were from the Italian mints moving from Leo I to Justin
until the stream of gold totally ceased under Justinian.

Then you brought up another source critisizing the interpretations of
Fagerlie - but you did only mention a single change of the basical
facts.

Where did I go wrong? Are your facts wrong, or do you "only" change
your source?

Troels




--- In gothic-l at y..., "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at y..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Troels,
> > >
> > >the following link takes you to a map of the Byzantine/East Roman
> > >mints.
> > >
> > >http://americanhistory.si.edu/csr/nnc/byzant/imapmint.htm
> > >
> > >The map states a timeframe from 498 to 1453. However, the main
> mints
> > >were the same in the period 450 to 500. Of course, Carthage was
> ruled
> > >by the Vandals at that time and the Italian mints were under
> > >Ostrogothic control from 488 or so. Also, the mints of Sirmium in
> > >Pannonia is omitted on the map. But it was a very minor mint and
> > >operative only from about 504 after closing at the end of the 4th
> > >century. Also, missing are most of the western mints of greater
> > >significance, like Arles and Lyon, but especially Milan. Trier,
> which
> > >was a major mint in the 4th century seized operations in the
early
> > >5th century. Also missing are all the Frankish and Visigothic
mints
> > >like Toulouse, Bordeaux, Cologne, Marseille etc.
> > >
> > >I think it it fair to say that the vast majority of gold coins
> minted
> > >in the 5th century would have been produced by Constantinopel,
> > >Ravenna, Rome and Milan. Of these Milan and Ravenna would have
been
> > >the northern-most.
> > >
> > >cheers,
> > >Dirk
> > >
> >
> >
> > Dirk,
> >
> > I have no Fagerlies book and I have posted the conslusions on
> >
>
http://w1.855.telia.com/~u85528681/Fagerlie/fagerlieconclus/default.ht
> m
> >
> > 9 pages.
> >
> > I think these 9 pages can bring some order into our debate.
> >
> > Tore
>
>
>
> Tore,
>
> Fagerlie's book which appeared in the 1960s is unfortunately based
on
> outdated historical and archaeological sources, which not only
> influenced, but even drove her interpretations. She linked sporadic
> finds to contacts for which there is no evidence and which are not
> likely. For example, seeking to link a Leontius coin of Antioch to
> the Ostrogoths is highly contrived and not believable. If you read
> modern literature on this field you will find that these
> interpretations are no longer accepted. The leading expert on
> Ostrogothic (and late Roman) coinage M. Metlich stated that
> Fagerlie's interpretations are untenable. Her book should not be
used
> to bring order to this discussion, unfortunately.
>
> Dirk
>





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