Heruls :[gothic-l] : Etymology and Scandinavia.

[keth at ONLINE.NO]

Bertil,
I sort of expected you'd answer like a pomplemousse.
By not adressing the presented argument, which was
illustrated by a small sample dialogue between a ROMAN and a HERUL.


Here for example:
>That must be a great advantage in your research
>to have this flasback scenes plauíd out in your mind.

No Sir, it was "recorded" for your benefit.


>So once more the scientific facts: h- is inorganic.

I shall assume that you are trying to say that Greek/Roman H of
the period is inorganic. 
But is "organic" or "inorganic" the correct term?
I think it should be either voiced versus voiceless, OR pronounced
versus unpronounced. Which of the two is it?


 
>Organic h- would have been Ch-, which never occurs.

I agree that if it was an H like the Russians have it,
(you'll know what I mean, if you've ever spoken to
a Russian who recently learned to speak Swedish)
then the Romans might have transliterated it as Ch-

But how can we be sure the various Germanic groups spoke
uniformly? Granted, some may have used a "rough" H (à la Russe)
but others may have used the H pretty much like it is
used in modern German or Swedish.

What we know is that for example Jordanes (or better:
the various Mss. that derive from Jordanes original Ms.)
sometimes writes ChILPERIC, and at other times HILPERIC.

Now what does that tell us about how the Germanic groups
of the period used H?

And note that Heruls is also with H in the Jordanes Mss.

The fact that he never writes "Cheruls", can be easily
explained as being either due to: 
1) convention
2) non-uniformity in the voicing of H among different Germanic groups.
   (Hilperic was a Frank, not a Herul)
3) chance (tilfäldighet)

>Se also Jordanes eluri in Getic 117.
117?
In § 23 Jordanes says that the Greeks call them "Eluri",
without H. But that is entirely according to our understanding
that Greek had no H. Hence they simply dropped the sound.



>Sorry, Keth, this is a no winner for you.

As long as your argue in an unconvincing manner,
I think I am neither a winner nor a loser:

The HERUL says: "Greetings you Greek-kerl, I'm a Herul !"
The GREEK answers: "Beg you pardon!?"
The HERUL: "I said I am a HERUL."
The GREEK: "Oh, I see! You are en Erul!"


un-pomplemoussically
Keth



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