[gothic-l] Re: ZDF Program on the Goths

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., Tore Gannholm <tore.gannholm at s...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >It takes time for popular science to adapt the findings of real
> >scholarships. The latest entry in the Brockhaus on the Goths
already
> >statet that research nowadays rejects the theory that they came
from
> >Scandinavia, and future programme makers will surely go the same
way.
> >
>
>
> Dirk,
>
> Your statement is not quite correct. I think it should be "research
> nowadays have modified the theory that they came from Scandinavia"
>
> As we earlier have discussed on this forum there was a common
culture
> in northern Poland, Gotland and coastal areas of southern Sweden in
> the centuries before the forming of what we today call the Wielbark
> culture.


Tore,

that simply cannot be correct, or are you arguing that the Okcywie
culture was also present in Scandinavia? To give you the answer - it
was not and it has nothing to do with any Scandinavian culture or
region. Thus the Wielbark culture, which included the Goths is based
on a culture that is clearly distinct and completely unrelated to any
Scandinavian culture! Surely, contacts existed, but these were
spuradic and alien to the Gothic Wielbark culture (see Bierbrauer on
that)





> We don't know who dominated that culture. There is clear evidence
> that there was movements in both directions between Gotland and
that
> area.


Which is not surprising, but archaeology can show conclusively that
the Goths as a tribe or better and more correctly the Wielbark
culture as an archaeological group and not even the predecessor of
the Wielbark culture came from Gotland or anywhere else in
Scandinavia.



> Further the Wielbark culture was formed by the people at time
> time living in northern Poland.


That is undisputed - the Wielbark culture and the Gothic tribe formed
in a clearly defined and identified area of northern Poland and
nowhere else. BTW, even the latest Brockhaus entry on the Goths has
now abandoned the old thesis of a Scandinavian origin of the Goths.

Dirk


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