[gothic-l] Re: The Language of the Goths

[Lada]

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From: faltin2001 <dirk at smra.co.uk>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 9:44 AM
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: The Language of the Goths


> --- In gothic-l at y..., "Lada" <smntpk at p...> wrote:
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Stephen Mark Carey <smcarey at a...>
> > To: <gothic-l at y...>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 6:46 PM
> > Subject: [gothic-l] The Language of the Goths
> >
> >
> > >
> > > > in a clearly defined and identified area of northern Poland and
> > > > nowhere else. BTW, even the latest Brockhaus entry on the Goths
> has
> > > > now abandoned the old thesis of a Scandinavian origin of the
> Goths.
> > > >
> > > > Dirk
> > >
> > >
> > > Where does the linguistic evidence fall in this regard. Is there
> a heavy
> > > Gothic influence on Polish -- or are you dealing with "German"
> areas of
> > > Poland -- how about gothic influence on Old Prussian -- or does
> your
> > > theory force one to reconsider whether the Gothic Language was
> actually
> > > spoken by the "Goths"?
> > >
> > >     I think the language influenced must have been ment to Old
> High
> > German.
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am not a linguist, but as far as I know the only west Germanic
> language/dialect that borrowed a number of words from Gothic is
> Bavarian. Most of the Gothic words in Bavarian are detectable only or
> among others by the fact that they are exclusive to Bavarian.
>
>
>
>
> It does contain some words which can be soundly suspected to have
> > come through Gothic. Beside that Old High German shares with Gothic
> some
> > inherited forms it does not with most other Germanic languages.
> >       Otherwise speakers, of the west - slavic dialect, which would
> become
> > Polish did not live anywhere nearby, at the time
>
>
> Agreed
> Cheers,
> Dirk
>
>  Well, Dirk you should have quoted all of my letter. The future Polish
speakers did not live ther at the time, but the language is infuenced by
Gothic. I am not providing any answers, but the borrowing must be very
early, almost certainly before the common Slavic broke into dialects we now
today. Most slavic languages share hle^bu (e^ is the sound known as Jat,
open e and u is the only way I could represent the velar hypershort jor) and
smoky, gen. smokuve and some more. This one must have been borrowed before
final o^ (long o) became gothic a, and before slavic u^ became
y.Furthermorre the same applies to bouky, boukuve  which is common Slavic.
    So, the influence there was, but I suspect it was later and the contaac
should be more to south and east (which would fall with your Bavarian
influenced by Gothic).
                                      Il Akkad
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