[gothic-l] Re: The Gothic Migration Epic

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at y..., "xigung" <keth at o...> wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at y..., "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
>
> > No I would not. Don't try to second-guess others, please if you
have
> > no idea what they mean;-> This retorical question was meant to
> > emphasise the meaning of autochtonous. Of course they did not
come
> > from Germany. Germany did not even exist at that time.
>
> I think Germany certainly existed at the time.
> In fact, I think it was slightly bigger than it
> is now, since the waves have since removed parts
> of its coast line up in the North.




No, Germany did not exist in any form 2000 years ago. The best we can
refer to is the territory of modern Germany.







>
>
>
> > > The Germanic language may in fact stem from Scandinavia,
> > > since such a new language would need a certain incubation
> > > time, or isolation, in order to develop independently
> > > of neighboring languages. Probably in Sweden, since this was
> > > a very rich country with many natural resources - and also
> > > suitably isolated.
> >
> >
> > That is possible, but not supported by the recent research of
Prof.
> > Udolph, or Swedish linguists like Dahl and Elert. Udolph has
> > conducted a major study on the origin of the Germanic language,
> which
> > appeared as part of the special editions of Hoop's RGA. Dahl has
> > written a study on the origin of Scandinavian languages, where he
> > mainly supports Udolph's finding.  A good summary of the likely
> > origin of the Germanic language is provided by H. Wolfram in 'Die
> > Germanen'. A short exerpt can be found under this URL:
> >
> > http://www.geocities.com/loddfaf/germherk.html
>
> Thanks for the pointer. I just read the article, and note
> that he (Wolfram) quotes Tacitus concerning the Suebians
> who are described as the oldest of the Germanic peoples.
>
> To me it is in fact striking to see how similar
> "Suebe" is to "Suede" (or "Svea" as they used to be called.)





Have a look at the article 'Der Name der Suevi' in "Beitraege zum
Verstaendnis der Germania des Tacitus, Part 2", ... more detail later
if you like.


In short, the name Suevi on the one hand and Svear or Suiones on the
other are not related, according to the author, if I remember
correctly.


>
> Tacitus also mentions "Sviones" living somewhere in Sweden.
> That seems like a name that belongs to the same group.



Apparently not, if the author I refer to above is right. Also,
according to Tore, it is not clear whether those Suiones are related
to the later Svear and where they should be located, but I am not
certain about that. At any rate this is material for the Germanic
list.

cheers,
Dirk


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