[gothic-l] LATE!?

[Lada]

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From: xigung <keth at online.no>
To: <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 5:20 PM
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: The Language of the Goths


> --- In gothic-l at y..., Stephen Mark Carey <smcarey at a...> wrote:
> > In any case Gothic IS a germanic language --
> > a germanic  language that does not undergo the
> > 2nd shift -- like ALL of the  Skandinavian languages.
> > So if you go back 2,000 years before the common  era,
> > and conjecture a group roaming around in Poland presumably
> > speaking Indo-European (before the centum/satem
> > divide?) -- can we really call this  group "Goths"?
> > aren't they then Proto-Goths, or something of that nature?
> >
> > Go. slepan   -- OHG slaffan
> > Go. etum     -- OHG azum
> > Go. mikils   -- OHG mihhil
> > Go. twai     -- OHG zwei
> > Go. hairto   -- OHG herza
> > Go. drigkan  -- OHG trikhan
>
> Hi Stephen !  I add the corresponding Dutch words:
>
> >  slepan   -- slaffan  -- slapen    (sleep)
> >  etum     -- azum     -- eten      (eat)
> >  mikils   -- mihhil   -- machtig ? (mighty ?)
> >  twai     -- zwei     -- twee      (two)
> >  hairto   -- herza    -- hart      (heart)
> >  drigkan  -- trikhan  -- drinken   (drink)
>
> Apparently the change   slapen -> schlafen  occurred relatively
> late.
>
> Regards,
> Keth
>
>     I know it came late, it wasn't done with by the time first southern
German texts were composed. In fact it was , in a way, never finished
altogether. Middle Franconian still has words without the second sound
shift. BTW the centum-satem division cannot be taken in serious
consideration any more. It was outdated some time ago with the discovery of
Tocharian, which seems to have either crashed the whole system or ... well
even Meillet thought the palatals a secondary 'inovation'. I am  not sharing
his view, waiting for some other plausible theory to come up.
                                    Il Akkad
P.S. do you know some think there was no sound shift but only two different
types of developments from some very unusal proto-language set of consonant
(glottalic theory). One of its strongest points is a very similar
development in Armenian.
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