[gothic-l] Re: The Gothic Migration Epic

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From: faltin2001 <dirk at smra.co.uk>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2002 4:54 PM
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: The Gothic Migration Epic


> > >   No i did not come accross the book, thanks for drawing my attention
to it. But, languages and people are very rarely moved to migrate
completely. There might be a Ver Sacrum of sorts, but if so, it means that a
part of people is on move while others stay. And if we are aggried on
multiethnicity of the Wielbark culture, what are we arguing about? It was
multiethnic, it is not sure all of the Gothic peoples shared in it, so I
dont see a way of making the skeletons speak and we will never be  sure of
the 'Urheimat' of Goths. Besides I am not sure it would be that important.
  And, about bala from belo it is unlikely. Remeber jat, it is the e of
belo, jat would not give a in Gothic, it would be e (long). I do not say
that Polish was influenced byt that Slavic was influenced, and I think it
supposes an earlier and more southward contact.
                                                Il Akkad

> > >  I cannot but add that science is now discarding the theories of
> invasions
> > and is turning to synthesis theory (as in the case of celtic
> expansion) .
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> That is interesting. Did you have a chance to read Walter Pohl's new
> book on the Migrations? Part of the title is 'conquest and
> integration', maybe he reflects on this. I shall have my copy next
> week or. The book just came out.
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> So
> > we should think of certain archaelogical cultures as cultures, not
> peoples.
> > It is plausible that a part of a nation would come into the sphere
> of
> > influence of one culture and other parts not. Besides, how can you
> tell that
> > Goths began their migrations as a single people and not as a
> confederacy,
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> I think it is widely accepted that the Wielbark culture comprised not
> only of Goths, but also of Lemovians, Rugians and perhaps other
> unnamed groups. The migration to the Black Sea was done over some
> three generations and probably involved many different groups. In
> each generation, locals were likely absorbed into the Wielbark group
> and pulled south in the next generation leading to a substantial
> change of the Goths by the time they reached the Black Sea.
>
> cheers,
> Dirk
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