[gothic-l] Gothic at K'zoo?

[Stephen Mark Carey]

Is there a chance that any of the list members will be a the Medievalist
convention at Kalmazoo this year? Maybe we all could meet.

Steve

Stephen Mark Carey, Ph.D.
Department of German Studies
117 Trimble Hall
Emory University
Atlanta, GA 30322
(404) 727 0820

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002, Ingemar Nordgren wrote:

> Dear Tim!
>
> I know Inger E. Johansson personally. She is a very studied woman with
> very rapid reactions and possibility to connect things very rapidly, and
> she is an exellent knower of classical sources and has an BA in history
> from the university of Linköping. Her problem is that she thinks ahead
> of most people, and what is obvious to her is not to an ordinary human,
> because he has not  made all those mental connections with other sources
> that are nessecary to understand what she means, and  on what that is
> founded. Accordingly our chats are long and time- consuming interfolied
>    by many questions  of details from me before I grab what she is
> aiming at. Finally I mostly can conclude that she is right, even if her
> original statement sometimes seem to be more exaggerating than what she
> really meant.
>
> It is not true she can not verify, but she refuses to say too much of
> her results on line, but if anyone will use her material and refer to
> her she is willing to deliver personally to that person. In this case
> however she is herself working with it and I am aware of her material.
>
> Her original idea the author Ablabius is the Praetorian Prefect of Rome
> she proposed to me. I did myself check every one of her sources and
> found still more evidence for this in other sourceplaces. This is all
> published in my book and I totally agree with Inger that this is the
> most probable Ablabius.I had no objections to that proposal during my
> disputation lecture from neither Tore Nyberg, Torsten Capelle or Anders
> Hultgård. I still however find it very important to check everything she
> proposes because of the risk of misunderstanding her declarations.
>
> I have known these new sources for a while but have not checked the
> content still but I will indeed, I promise, because these documents, if
>    they are what proposed, strengthen indeed my former conviction that
> this indeed is "the" Ablabius. I will however wait with a judgement of
> that untill I have myself read everything-also in the book.
>
> Her copies are identical with the content in part of the referred book
> Forntida Svenska legender written by Pater Stephanus of Skänninge
> (Östergötland). The book exists indeed but is hard to get access to. It
> is also mentioned in "Tusen sevärdheter i Sverige" by the Swedish
> Tourist Society (STF) 1960. It was exhibited in Linköping 1964 or 1965
> at the library there. Gad Rausing has written an article concerning the
> Early Christian struggle in the 400's which is based on  materiel from
> the Swedish Legendarium. This text that Rausing uses is also reproduced
> in the above mentioned book by Pater Stephanus but there are also a lot
> of other classical writers translated. Part of the texts, like this one,
> are also able to find in the so called "Valesian excerpts"(de Valesiske
> utdrag) in Ammianus Marcellinus edition of 1877. The referred part
> concerning Ablabius relates his intimate knowledge of Goths and  of the
> imperial family. It covers the period from 310 when Constantine the
> great still was only a claimer of the imperial throne (a Caesar) till
> his death in 338. If it is his original text that is related I dare not
> say before I have been able to check with the claimed manusripts in the
> referred monasteries. It takes some time and also a lot of permissions
> and money and also a very good specialist in old handwritings. Of this I
> know only what Inger has told me. It may be a future project. As far as
> this texts concerns it is a referate of his life with interesting
> episods with Goths and not claimed to be a history of the Goths. It of
> course is not written by Ablabius in  these editions and how much of the
> material that is taken from Ablabius own writings I dare not say. Be it
> enough to say that these documents, if verified, increases the
> probability Ablabius was Ablabius.
>
> I hope this will sooth rumours about Inger who indeed is quite serious
> in her intentions, even if she has problems formulating herself in
> debates in a convincing way. She is a very special, but also very kind
> and positive and educated woman.
>
> Kindly
> Ingemar
>
> > Message: 6
> >    Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:01:12 -0000
> >    From: "yeshua666" <scatha at bigpond.com>
> > Subject: Ablabius found!!
> >
> > Any of you who read soc.history.medieval would be familiar with
> > Inger E. Johansson - a Swedish kook who likes to make wild claims
> > about her amazing research and then runs away when asked for evidence
> > (she claims people keep stealing her ideas - she also claims that
> > some of her posts in which she is caught telling lies are actually
> > forgeries.  We suspect she needs some professional help).
> >
> > Anyway, her latest claim is that Jordanes' major source for his
> > *Getica* - Ablabius - is not lost at all:
> >
> > "Ablabius isn't lost, his work still exist in two monestries I have
> > been told and also seen photocopies of(I will return to this later)
> > one on an island in Greece where only monks live and one in a monestry
> > on the border between Irac and Turkey.
> >
> > The photocopies I have seen have the same text as exists in a Swedish
> > 13th Century source, mostly forgotten.... Forntida Svenska legender
> > written by Pater Stephanus of Skänninge(Östergötland) where he
> > translated into Swedish information given by early historians. The
> > book still exists in one copy privately owned in Linköping. I saw it
> > once when my class and one of our teachers were allowed to see it in
> > 1960's. I have photocopies of parts of it. In those copies special
> > information regarding Konstantin the Great's chapel in Arles and
> > Konstantin the Great's mother and Ablabius himself is
> > given."
> >
> > What do you make of these claim?
> >
> > Tim O'Neill
> >
>
>
>
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