[gothic-l] Re: Greutung, Therving

[george knysh]

--- Francisc Czobor <fericzobor at yahoo.com> wrote:
 the
> term "knyazhenie" comes from "knyaz", from Old
> Slavic kunenzu, of
> Germanic origin (*kuningaz, whence König, king,
> konung, etc. and, as
> an early borrowing from Germanic, the Finnish
> kuningas. The feminine
> form - knyagina - sounds alike the German Königin).

*****GK: This is correct. The borrowing was likely
from Gothic (even though the term was not used by
Ulfila)*****

> The Kagan was in fact the ruler of the Khazars,
> which were in
> variable relationship (war/peace) with the "Rus'"
> state.

*****GK: Ther term "Kagan" is clearly of Turkic origin
and was adopted by their Iranic symbiots as well as by
the Norse warlords coming in from the Baltic. The term
"Rus" according to the Iranic interpretation, referred
at that time to the military aristocracy of Khazaria.
Initially, it seems, the Norse warbands had that kind
of relationship to the Khazars, declaring their
"independence" sometime in the early 9th c., and
adopting the title "Kagan" to indicate their new
status.*******
>
> Francisc
>
>
>


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