[gothic-l] Old Turkish Runic Alphabet - what are your thoughts?

[Bertil Haggman]

To complicate matters it might be of interest to
consider the Strahlenberg exploration of Siberia.
He was a Swedish POW in Tobolsk, Siberia, but
was allowed by the Russians to join an expedition
to the then unknown part of Russia in 1720.
On return he drew the first more precise map
of Siberia published in his book _Das Nord- und
Ostliche Theil von Europa und Asia_ in 1730.

On the expedition was another Swedish POW and
artist, Karl Schulman. At the river Jenisey he painted
a monument in stone with an unknown language.
It was not until the 1890s that the Danish scholar
Vilhelm Thomsen deciphered the picture of Schulman.
What was depicted were Old Turkish runes (see report
by Thomsen in 1893 ("Déchiffrement des inscriptions
de l'Orkhon et de l'Iénnisei - Notice preliminaire", Helsinki
Finland). The Orkhon stones were another group of
old Turkish runes. It is plausible that Thomsen related the
runes to Gothic.

Gothically

Bertil

> That is really fantastic! I dont understand why scholars have overlooked that. They dont want to associate with Turks perhaps? But the scientific proof is here. Now I understand what bias may lead to and how scientists are so biased. They knew this fact for sure.
>  konrad_oddsson wrote:Some interesting pages about an old Turkish runic alphabet:
> 
> http://www.antalya-ws.com/futhark/index.htm
> http://www.turcman.btinternet.co.uk/futhark-alphabet.htm
> 
> Any thoughts or responses to the Turkish connection? Did the migrant 
> Goths adopt the alphabet and bring it back to their Scandinavian 
> homeland? Did Gothic merchants from the homeland pick it up while 
> trading and mingling with their kin in the south of Europe? Consider 
> the dating of the oldest complete inscribed futhark (found on the 
> island of Gotland and dating from around 100-200AD according to the 
> usual estimates I have seen). The Christian scholars have argued 
> various theories for years connecting the old alphabet to Latin, 
> Greek, Etruscan, Phonecian, Hebrew and so forth. There seems to be a 
> clear bias in favour of peoples identified with the Jewish-Christian 
> tradition. Finding the origins of the Scandinavian futhark in a 
> cultural exchange between Turks and non-Jewish-Christian Goths would 
> be hard for the Abrahamic purists in Scandinavia to swallow. I would 
> be interested to know your thoughts.




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