[gothic-l] Germanic and Rumania was Re: Goths and Getae

[faltin2001]

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> Don't you overestimate the time period when 
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> "Germanic tribes, especially Goths and Gepids occupied 
> the area of modern Rumania... some 300 years or so"?
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Hi Vladimir,

possibly, but I simply took the 300 years from Francisc's earlier 
post and he repeated it in his last message. I assumed that it was 
approximately right. 





> 
> Real influence of the Goths in Dacia could not 
> begin before Valentus, i.e. the end of the 4th c. 
> and could not help finishing after Avar invasion 
> in 6th c. Hence, we do not gather even 200 years. 



I would have to check this now, but I was under the impression that 
the first Dacia (i.e. the area of Romania) was given to the Goths at 
an earlier date, I think in 275AD. The Romans then created a second 
Dacia (Dacia Ripense). The Gepidic kingdom, also partly on Romanian 
territory was defeated in about 565AD, which makes about 300 years. 
In addition, the Bavarian mission record the existence of Gepids 
still in the 9th century. 









> Further, the term "occupied" seems to be too 
> pretentious. Visigoths, though having shattered 
> Valentus, seized no towns. There are serious 
> doubts that the Goths (plus the Gepides) really 
> did occupy (!) Dacia and were there real rulers. 



There can be no doubt that Dacia, and other Roman provinces were at 
least in the 5th century under the direct rule of Gepids, and 
Ostrogoths.





> As opposed to the Romans.
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The Gepidic rule over the region, under a succession of kings lasted 
from at least 454 to 565, but Gepids had lived their for much longer

Cheers
Dirk 





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> Vladimir
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: faltin2001 [mailto:dirk at s...]
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2003 2:00 PM
> To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [gothic-l] Germanic and Rumania was Re: Goths and Getae
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> Hi Francisc,
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> Germanic tribes, especially Goths and Gepids occupied the area of 
> modern Rumania for a relatively long period of time. In parts I 
guess 
> maybe some 300 years or so. Yet, why do you think it is that the 
> Romance language of the previous population survived this period. 
The 
> Romans had occupied the area only from about 106AD to 276AD. Yet, 
> they had apparently a much more profound impact on the population. 
In 
> only 170 years they had afforded a language change, while some 300 
> years of Germanic settlement left no or few traces in the modern 
> Romanic language. 
> 
> Now, this survival of the Rumanian/Romance language seems to 
indicate 
> that during the whole period of Germanic settlement in those areas 
> there remained a relatively strong local population. However, 
> historical source do not seem to report much if anything about 
them. 
> What is the view of Romanian historiography to account for this?  
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> Thanks 
> Dirk 
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