[gothic-l] Re; Andreas

[sunnytjatsingh]

Hi Andreas, 

"We know who they were and where they were from the end of the second 
century AD, when they first appear in the sources, and we know about 
their 
predecessors, the Gothones from about the time of Tiberius, and the 
Wielbark
culture
To speculate about Goths in connection with Getae and 
Massagetae is case for 
amateurs, who did not study the way in which Cassiodorus and Jordanes 
construed 
their learned arguments for the Ostrogothic and Byzantine court in 
the sixth
century."

Here's the big problem – Every classical writer who actually 
witnessed the Gothi or Goths believed they were Scythian or Getae – 
not one, let me repeat, not even one classical writer has even 
suggested that the forerunners of Goths were the Guttones, or Butones 
(Strabo)?  

Otherwise, how does an unimportant, and virtually unknown Germanic 
(note: Tacitus is the only person who calls them Germanic) tribe like 
Gutones who received about 1 or 2 lines by Pytheas, Pliny, Ptolemy, 
and Tacitus (also note Strabo writes about the Butones not Gutones) 
be the forerunners of the powerful Gothi who a couple centuries, 
after being discussed by the aforementioned authors, had their kings 
crowned in Rome? 

In short there is absolutely NO classical testimony for the Gutones 
hypothesis, rather based on Jordanes mention of Scandza, whose 
migration sees them leaving Scandza 1500 years before the dating of 
Wielbark (Christensen 2002)? So why such a strange conjecture that is 
not substantiated by any classical texts that deal with Gothi or 
Goths?  

Now, to discredit Jordanes and Cassidorus is one thing, but to 
discredit Isidore of Seville, Dexxipus, Procopius, Orosius is yet 
another.  Best Wishes,



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