[gothic-l] Re: Gothic Christian inheritence in Orthodoxy

[Hieromonk Maximos]

>--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "synarc2000" <synarc2000 at y...> wrote:
>>  Hail,
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>>  We can see many influences of Gothic Christianity surviving both in
>>  Theology and tradtions and Art within the Orthodox Faith. This was
>>  inherited by Byzantium and directly in to various countries from
>the
>>  Goths as for eg from Ravenna,Amalfi etc which were parts of Gothia
>>  untill taken by Byzantium.
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>Ravenna, Amalfi and the rest of Italy were never part of a 'Gothia'.
>Theoderic deliberately avoided the creation of a Gothia, but instead
>was keen to revive and live Roman Italian traditions, often linking
>to the early imperial and republican periods.
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>Bulgarian Christianity is for eg a rich
>>  synthesis of various forms for eg
>>  Bogomil,Celtic,Gnostic,Grail,Baroque Catholic and Gothic as well as
>>  Byzantium.
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>>  The Orthodox Theological concept of the Filioque is a survivor from
>>  Arian Gothic Christians.
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>I doubt that the Greek, Bulgarian or any other Orthodox church is
>closer to Arianism than Catholicism. Orthodoxy and Catholicsm were
>identical for many centuries after the demise of Arianism. Those
>features which you are refering to are most likely quintessentially
>Byzantine, but not Arian Gothic.
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>Howeer, some influences of Gothic church language are still alive in
>areas like Bavaria in southern Germany, which was under Gothic Arian
>influence in the first part of the 6th century. Hence, Gothic words
>like dulds for feast etc are still used there.
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>Cheers
>Dirk
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The Orthodox would claim exactly the contrary as a matter of fact.
The introduction of the filioque into the Western versions of the
Creed was to combat Arianism in the West( it began at Toledo in
Spain) Arianism had already been discredited in the East by this
time.  It was the filioque which ultimately sundered the Eastern and
Western Church from each other in the 11th century.  For those of you
unfamiliar with the " filioque" controversy, it was the addition of
the word " and the son" ( in Latin filioque) into the Creed after the
statement that the Holy Spirit proceeded from the Father ( which is
from the Gospel of John). The Orthodox East rejected this on two
points. One, we claim it is theologically wrong, and Two, that the
West did not have the authority to unilaterally alter the Creed (
which was the product of two Ecumenical Councils)


Sincerely,

the sinful monk

Maximos+


Rev. Hieromonk Maximos,Epitropos
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