[gothic-l] Re: Gothic terms

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, matthew carver <me at m...> wrote:
> Hails!
> 
> For military terms in Germanic, see "Language and History in the 
> Germanic World"
> I don't recall all the specifics from this book, but it is a really 
> interesting read:
> Reiks is originally a (?) celtic term which replaced earlier titles 
of 
> tribal (thiudans)
> and military leadership. Though *drauhtins (military lord) may not 
be 
> attested
> in Gothic, drauhts (soldier) and drauhtinon (to serve as a soldier) 
are 
> (as is
> militon, to serve as a soldier [?in a Roman context] and anno 
[wages]).



Anno is of course the derivation from latin 'annona', which was part 
of the payment for Roman soldiers. As such it is a borrowing from 
Latin.




> Harjatuga (dux) may be based on a Greek source, using an 
explanatory 
> prefix.



I think Gothic 'Harjatuga' is equivalent to Old Saxon 'Haratog, 
Hartog', i.e. modern German 'Herzog', which means Dux, Duke. The 
world includes a first element meaning 'army' and a second element, 
which is cognate to modern German 'ziehen'.





> Fulk (cf. OE folc) was something like all the armed men of a 
nation. 



Yes, still used in modern German words like Fussvolk, meaning 
infantry.

cheers
Dirk 







> Thiudans (king) is
> the ruler of a political unity or nation (thiuda), while kindins 
> (prince, lord, ruler)
> had kinship associations. A harjis is an army proper, an armed 
host; 
> wairdus
> is a more general term for host (of people or armed warriors). The 
> spadiggs
> was probably originally a soldier armed with a Roman spatha. 
> St[i]uriliggs
> was used to signify a younger warrior.
> 
> Hunter or huntsman is waithja  (WYE-thya). This is attested.
> I don't know a Gothic cognate for Jäger, unless 'jiuka-'.
> 
> -matthew
> 
> On Tuesday, April 22, 2003, at 09:05 PM, iainralph wrote:
> 
> > Sorry if this post repeats - I am new to this site and it looks 
like
> > my first post disappeared.
> >
> > Anyway, introduction:  I am an engineering/management 
professional in
> > Australia with a casual interest in Late Roman History and the
> > interaction with the Northern Barbarians, particularly the Goths.
> > This interest goes back some 20 years and has involved quite a 
bit of
> > reading on the subject.
> >
> > I also play board wargames and am in the process of designing a 
game
> > on the Adrianople campaign.  For the sake of authenticity, I would
> > like to use Gothic terminology appropriate to the era of Fritigern
> > and have come up with the following so far:
> >
> > Thiufa       standard military unit
> > Frijai       Gothic Freemen
> > Andbahtos    retainers in the employ of the leader
> > Siponjos     retainers-followers
> > Reiks        "kinglet"  Fritigern and Alaviv's replacement
> > Frauja       other tribal leader
> >
> > My questions are firstly to comment on the appropriateness of the
> > above, also to determine which of the names for retainers would 
most
> > likely apply to a troop of bodyguards and which would be better 
for a
> > detached leader?
> >
> > Also, can anyone recommend an appropriate word for "hunter"?
> > (actually a Gothic equivalent of the German term "Jaeger" would be
> > most valuable).
> >
> > Thanks very much in advance.
> >
> > Also, I have been putting some notes together for a novel on
> > Fritigern, but don't look for anything in the next 15 years.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > You are a member of the Gothic-L list.  To unsubscribe, send a 
blank 
> > email to <gothic-l-unsubscribe at egroups.com>.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >


------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~-->
Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles.
No Late Fees & Free Shipping.
Try Netflix for FREE!
http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/wWMplB/TM
---------------------------------------------------------------------~->

You are a member of the Gothic-L list.  To unsubscribe, send a blank email to <gothic-l-unsubscribe at egroups.com>. 

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/