[gothic-l] Re: Germanic/Gothic phonology and Wright's grammar

[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor at y...>
wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "gazariah" <brahmabull at h...> wrote:
> > Francisc:
> >
> > I have just a few books on Germanic available to me, but I gather
> > scholars have suggested that because both North and West Germanic
> > (NWG)have some changes that do not appear in Gothic, we can
> > hypothesize that Primitive Germanic broke first into East
Germanic
> > (Gothic) and NWG, and that the split into NG and WG happened
later.
> >
> > ON <guth> for "god" alongside <goth> can easily be explained
> through
> > paradigm leveling. Of course Gothic <guth> could be explained the
> > same way, but since Germanic /u/ never seems turn into Gothic /o/
> > this is probably the wrong way.
> >
> > Gazariah
>
> Yes, but other sources speak about a first split into North-East
> Germanic and West-Germanic. There are some innovations common to
East
> Germanic (Gothic) and North Germanic, the most quoted being: uw/ww
>
> ggw and iy/yy > ggj (> Got. ddj).
>
> Francisc



Hi Francisc and Gazariah,

there is a new article in the latest edition of the Reallexikon der
Germanischen Alterumskunde (2002) on 'Ostgermanisch', i.e. East
Germanic.

The author J. Tischler also mentioned the 'common innovation' which
you mention above and he lists a few others that were cited in the
literature. However, then Tischler states (my translation):"As can be
seen not one of the mentioned phenomena can really be interpreted as
common innovation, and none of them can serve as evidence for a
closer geneological relationship (between North Germanic/NG and Est
Germanic/EG. This is also true for the much cited 'strengthening'
from -ww and -yy-   (....)

In no circumstances can this strengthening on its own be used to
argue for a closer relation between NG and EG. Instead, the evidence
suggests that EG separated from common Germanic at such an early
stage that it did not go through all the really important innovations
which NG and West Germanic/WG underwent together (example: the
Rhotazismus z > r of the type: Gothic dius - oHG tior, oN dyr,
meaning animal (Tier in German).

All this argues for a two branch tree of the Germanic languages and
that the division between NG and WG occurred at a much later date
than the devision between NG and EG."

The author then continues to provide historical information that
supports this view.

Cheers
Dirk

















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