[gothic-l] Re: Vladimir

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Gazariah,



I did not speak of [jarilo] in
Old Russian, I only mentioned this
stem incidentally in connection
with a particular question of umlauts
in Gothic.

A single "attestation" of [jarilo]
known to me is the Rimsky-Korsakov's
opera "Snegurochka" where this
personage appears as a solar deity.
The long discussion on [jarilo],
whatever did it/he/she mean, seems
to exceed the bounds of the Gothic-L.
To tell the truth, I also would like
to know how old is the word and what
is its origin, but what have other
members of the Gothic-L to do with
all this? Let's have mercy on them.
Perhaps we would continue our
discussion bypassing the Gothic-L?



PS. Of course, I never thought [jarilo]
or Airils to have any connection with
eorl/jarl. I concede Russian [bojarin]
"boyar" might be derivative from
Scandinavian "bo jarl" meaning "manor
(feudal) lord", though a commonly
accepted etymology for [bojarin] is
Turkic [bojlar] as a plural from [bojl]
with not clear meaning.



Regards,

Vladimir



-----Original Message-----
From: gazariah [mailto:brahmabull at hushmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 7:38 PM
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Vladimir


Vladimir,

You speak of /jarilo/ in Old Russian. Where do we have it attested? I
find it in Dal', but that only takes us back to the 19th century. It
would be good to have some kind of idea about how old the word is.

The idea about +dlo was my own, and I am very ready to give it up. In
any case, the formant /-elo/ present in /chuchelo/ and /pugalo/ (both
meaning a dummy or scarecrow), seems to account for /jarilo/ as based
on the same pattern, with root from /jara/.

Dal' speaks of /jarilo/ as the name of a pre-Christian deity, but
Vasmer, after giving that theory and citing the literature, finds it
unconvincing.

If you advise not relying "too much" on Vasmer, what would you
recommend as a reference? People have been etymologizing for a long
time, and it seems to me we should at least start with a reference
that reviews whatever work has been done in the past.

Regards,
Gazariah





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