[gothic-l] Re: Vladimir (bojar)

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Hi, Francisc!



The point is just that I have found
neither attestations nor the exact meaning
of the conjectural Turkic (Old Bulgarian)
word *[bojl] or *[bol']. Namely this fact
prompted me to look for another alternative.
My conjecture "bo jarl" conforms to
a general rule. Most of terms of the feudal
hierarchy in early medieval Russia were
borrowed from Germanic rather than Turkic.

Several examples are:

    1) odal > [udel] "principality";

    2) kuning > Old Slavic *[k(u)ne(n)g]
        (with weak unaccented vowel and
        nasal e) > Old Russian [kn'ag] (cf.
        [kn'agin'a] "princess") > [kn'az']
        (with the palatalized interchange
        of consonants) "prince";

    3) umbott(man) > [e(n)bot-nik] (with
        nasal e and a Slavic professional
        suffix) > [jabetnik] "overseer,
        tax collector";

    4) gird(man)/grid(man) > [griden']
        "retinuer".



In this line, the conjecture "bo iarl" does
not look alien, does it?



The etymology from [boj] is more than
dubious. Not to mention that it is
not correct grammatically, the word [boj]
itself for "battle" was not in use those
times. I seem the words [bran'] of [secha]
would be more relevant for etymologizing.



Vladimir



-----Original Message-----
From: Francisc Czobor [mailto:fericzobor at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 7:46 PM
To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: Vladimir (bojar)


Hi!

This is already off-topic, but I want to add some words about the
word bojarin:
In the etymological dictionaries accessible for me, the explanations
are contradictory:
The Hungarian etymological dictionary states that the word, which in
Hungarian is "boj?r" and means "Russian or Romanian land owner", is
of Slavic origin. There are given examples in several Slavic
languages (including Russian), and states that the source is from Old
Bulgarian (bol'ar), where it comes probably from Turkic-Bulgar.
In Romanian there is the word "boier" which means "Romanian feudal
land owner" and is indeed most probably of Old Bulgarian origin, like
the great majority of Romanian words of Slavic origin.
On the other hand, Webster's (under the entry "boyar" = "member of
the privileged aristocracy in czarist Russia; member of the
privileged aristocracy in Romania") gives as etymology the Russian
boyarin, pl. boyare "grandee" < boj "battle".
I have once read in a Hungarian dictionary found in a library that
one of the etymologies proposed for the word "magyar" (the own
designation of Hungarians) would be a Turkic "bayar" = "nobleman",
although the most accepted version is the Finno-Ugric origin of this
word. What is not clear for me is if there is indeed attested a
word "bayar" in some Turkic language or is only presumed (based
eventually on "bojar").

Francisc





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