[gothic-l] Re: Gothic words in Bavarian & German

[llama_nom]

Some sources for Gothic loans in German & Bavarian.

INTERNET:
http://www.bayerische-sprache.de/Index/Rundbriefe/ Rundbrief%20Nr.%
2049%20-%20Maerz%202004.pdf
http://www.degruyter.de/rfiles/p/3110112574Textprobe.pdf

PRINT:
Wiesinger, Peter (1985) "Gotische Lehnwoerter im Bairischen", in
Fruemittelalterliche Ethnogenese im Alpenraum, 153-200


Here are some of the German words claimed as from Gothic, or from
Greek/Latin through the medium of Gothic:

STANDARD HIGH GERMAN:
Ablass < aflet(s)
anst < ansts
Bischof < Aipiskopus
Engel < Aggilus
erfuellen < usfulljan
glauben < galaubjan
Kirche < *kiriko?
Pfaffe < papa
Pfingsten (see: pfinstag)
taufen < daupjan
Teufel < diabulus

OHG
wih < weihs
nerrendeo, nerrento < nasjands

BAVARIAN:
dult < dulths
maut < mota
pfaid < paida
Ertag, Irta, etc. < *arjausdags
Pfinstag, Pfinsta, etc. < *pintadags


COMMENTS:
Some of these, like Ablass, might be calques, "loan translations",
rather than loanwords as such.  Some, like nerrento, wih, erfuellen,
etc., could just as well be native German words, cognate with the
Gothic ones, used by later missionaries for the same reason as the
Goths chose them: because they had the right meaning.  Or the use of
nerrento might owe something to Anglo-Saxon missionaries, cf. OE
neriend.  Of course, certain of the English cognates are ultimately
loans, maybe via Gothic (OE deofol, engel, cirica).  The regional
preference in OHG for certain words in the south: wih, versus
Franconian heilag; anst, vesus Franconian geba/huldi - might in some
cases reflect Gothic influence, or it could just be due to later
missions, or arbitrary differences.

Kirche/church might have been an early loans from Latin direct into
West Germanic.  (It is not thought to have come into German from with
the Anglo-Saxon missionaries.)  But the normal word in the Latin west
was ecclesia (or basilica), hence the forms in the modern Romance and
Celtic languages.  And according to the OED, "Ulphilas... belonged to
the very region and time for which we have the most weighty evidence
for the [rare] use of [Gk.] kuriakon [in the sense of a church
building]".  The derivation of the word is even discussed by Walafrid
in the 9th century, with reference to the Goths in the Greek
provinces.

Re: dulths, Koebler cites a suggestion by Lehmann, that it might be
from Latin indultum 'Erlaubnis' - but this is just a guess, I think.


Llama Nom



--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <penterakt at f...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Dirk,
> >
> > I'd be interested to see a list of the Gothic loanwords into
> > Bavarian; I'm especially curious about the "Gothic words which
are
> > uniquely preserved in Bavarian".
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I will have to dig out the article I refered to earlier. One
Bavarian
> word that springs to mind is 'Dulds' for festival.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Do you know if these include any
> > others apart from the days of the week?
> >
> > How certain is it that Pfait is a Gothic loan?  The word is also
> > found in Old English, as PAD, with compounds such as HEREPAD (war-
> > shirt = armour) and HASUPAD (grey-shirt = wolf).  According to
> > Priebsch & Collinson "The German Language", OHG pfeit "seems to
> have
> > been shifted from a Thracian word BAITEE for a sheepskin".
(BAITEE
> is
> > spelt in Greek letters, I used EE for Gk. eta.)
>
>
>
> That seem possible. I had not heard of Pfait as a Gothic loanword
> before Francisc mentioned it.
>
>
>
> >
> > Is AU the normal development of Gmc. long U: in Bavarian, as in
> > standard Modern High German?  If so, this might point to the
> > confusion in Gothic between O: and U:, and I guess the final T in
> > Maut would imply that it was borrowed after the High German
> consonant
> > shift.  So this looks quite a good candidate.
> >
> > The "supposedly Crimean" TELICH, of course, being so very similar
> to
> > the Low German, raises the question of how much Bousbeque was
> > assimilating the forms of these Gothic words to those of German
or
> > Dutch words he was more familiar with.  I wonder what the
etymology
> > of this is.
>
>
>
> I don't know. But you are right many or most of Busbeque's Crimean
> Gothis words are really Low German/Flemmish.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Another thought: is there any evidence of Gothic vocabulary in
the
> > Alemannic dialects of Switzerland?
>
>
>
> I am no aware of any study on this issue.
>
> Cheers
> Dirk



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