[gothic-l] Re: Niujis

[llama_nom]

Greetings Andrew,

Wright's grammar deals with pronunciation on pages 4-16.  Of
relevence too is the section on Proper Names, esp. p. 362.  An
alternative guide to pronunciation can be found here:

http://www.stormloader.com/carver/gutrazda/

Click on "speaking".  You can also hear Tolkien's Gothic poem BAGME
BLOMA read aloud.  If you read German, there is Wilhelm Streitberg's
Gotisches Elementarbuch:

http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1920/

For pronunciation see Chapter 9, pp. 56-65, but bear in mind the
warnings on this page that Sievers' ideas about intonation are
regarded as dated.  Braune's Grammatik, pp. 4-45, has lots of useful
stuff--but also in German I'm afraid.  I'm not sure if this applies
to the online version at Sean Christ's site, but the revised edition
with K Helm has referrences to the spelling of Gothic names by Roman
and Greek authors, and much detail about clues offered by spelling
fluctuations in the Gothic corpus.

You're right it can be hard to locate stuff in these scanned books.
And it takes time...  If you look near the beginning you should find
the contents page.  Saganet's worse (Old Norse manuscripts and out-
of-copywrite editions): you can't even click on the page number, but
have to trawl through pages twelve at a time till you get to the
right one!  On the other hand there's all this amazing material that
I'd never get to see otherwise...

Gothic grammar is fairly uncontroversial, as far as inflections go.
Much of the phonology is as clear as an extinct language can be, but
certain points are disputed, such as the value of the former
diphthongs <ai> and <au>, and whether they had become monophthongs
in unstressed syllables, in all syllables, or in no syllables.  The
evidence of personal names recorded by Roman and Greek authors
suggests that there were still diphthongs in stressed syllables.
The Satlzburg-Vienna Codex states that libaida "lived" was
pronounced (by the 9th/10th c.) as a long e.

Llama Nom




--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
>
> Another site with grammar is http://www.gotisch.de/
> This is similar to Salo's but with more active lessons and it is
also
> in german instead of english.
>
> This is a site with dictionaries from gothic and also from
english,
> german, latin and greece into gothic.
> http://homepage.uibk.ac.at/homepage/c303/c30310/gotwbhin.html
>
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "gur_idhren" <gur_idhren at y...>
wrote:
> >
> >
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I recently became interested in the Gothic language after being
> referred to a course by
> > David Salo, whose works I am familiar with. I'm in highschool
and
> have an interest in dead
> > and Classical languages, having taken Latin for 6 years and
studied
> Greek and Hebrew.
> > However, most of my study and interest has been in the languages
> invented by J.R.R.
> > Tolkien (namely Quenya, but also Sindarin).
> >
> > I printed out and have begun to read through David's course, and
it
> seems to be an
> > excellent source by which I can teach myself the language.
However,
> I don't want get stuck
> > with one source as I'm not sure how controversial Gothic grammar
> and phonology is
> > (coming from Tolkien's languages one must be extremely
skeptical :-
> )).
> >
> > I was wondering if someone here could refer me to other reliable
> online grammar outlines,
> > wordlists, courses etc. I would particularly like to find a good
> guide for Gothic
> > pronunciation or at least some clarification on Mr Salo had to
say
> about it, which was
> > confusing and unthourough to me.
> >
> > I'd rather not spend any money on books unless I have to, and I
> found this :: http://
> > www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/goth_wright_about.html ::
> site which has on it J.
> > Wright's Grammar of the Gothic Language, but it is very
unorganized
> and nearly
> > impossible to find anything that I might need from it.
> >
> > Any help someone could provide me would be very much
appreciated.
> Thank you!
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew





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