[gothic-l] Re:Re:In the beginning was the Word
homermakedonski
HomerMakedonski at STRUMICA.COM
Mon Mar 29 21:49:06 UTC 2004
This is my try to write one more time the famous phrase ,now based at
my own reconstruction of the Sanscrit language ..
I have possibility to "learn it" at site where the original letter's
orthography can be seen ,mostly for the words I had focused them as a
most importen to me .
Those words are :
Bhagavan -God
uvâca-said
vâca-words
ca-also
And I am making comporation with them on this way:
Makedon~Bhagavan
Duma ~vBca
In the beginning was the Word and the word was ..
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http://srimadbhagavatam.com/1/5/20
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God in Sanscrit is Bhagavan
Canto 1: Creation Chapter 5: Nârada's Instructions on Úrîmad-
Bhâgavatam for Vyâsadeva
Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Úrîmad Bhâgavatam 1.5.20
idam? hi viúvam? bhagavân ivetaro
yato jagat-sthâna-nirodha-sambhavâh?
tad dhi svayam? veda bhavâm?s tathâpi te
prâdeúa-mâtram? bhavatah? pradarúitam
SYNONYMS
idam - this; hi - all; viúvam - cosmos; bhagavân - the Supreme Lord;
iva - almost the same; itarah? - different from; yatah? - from whom;
jagat - the worlds; sthâna - exist; nirodha - annihilation;
sambhavâh? - creation; tat hi - all about; svayam - personally; veda -
know; bhavân - your good self; tathâ api - still; te - unto you;
prâdeúa-mâtram - a synopsis only; bhavatah? - unto you; pradarúitam -
explained.
Again from this text :
idam? hi viúvam? bhagavân ivetaro
yato jagat-sthâna-nirodha-sambhavâh?
tad dhi svayam? veda bhavâm?s tathâpi te
prâdeúa-mâtram? bhavatah? pradarúitam;
and Explanation as it given :
SYNONYMS
idam - this; hi - all; viúvam - cosmos; bhagavân - the Supreme Lord; -
almost the same; itarah? - different from; yatah? - from whom;
jagat - the worlds; sthâna - exist; nirodha - annihilation;
sambhavâh? - creation; tat hi - all about; svayam - personally; veda -
know; bhavân - your good self; tathâ api - still; te - unto you;
prâdeúa-mâtram - a synopsis only; bhavatah? - unto you; pradarúitam -
explained.
In the beginning was The Word and The Word was "UVA"
Searching for the word " Word" in Sanscrit :
Word - ?
http://srimadbhagavatam.com/1/6/1
Canto 1: Creation Chapter 6: Conversation Between Nârada and
Vyâsadeva
Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Úrîmad Bhâgavatam 1.6.1
sûta uvâca
evam? niúamya bhagavân
devars?er janma karma ca
bhûyah? papraccha tam? brahman
vyâsah? satyavatî-sutah?
SYNONYMS
sûtah? uvâca - Sûta said; evam - thus; niúamya - hearing; bhagavân -
the powerful incarnation of God; devars?eh? - of the great sage among
the gods; janma - birth; karma - work; ca - and; bhûyah? - again;
papraccha - asked; tam - him; brahman - O brâhman?as; vyâsah? -
Vyâsadeva; satyavatî-sutah? - the son of Satyavatî.
TRANSLATION
Sûta said: O brâhman?as, thus hearing all about Úrî Nârada's birth
and activities, Vyâsadeva, the incarnation of God and son of
Satyavatî, inquired as follows.
At this text we will opserve the word
sûta uvâca
evam? niúamya bhagavân
devars?er janma karma ca
bhûyah? papraccha tam? brahman
vyâsah? satyavatî-sutah?
and we will try to find it's meaning :
Again the same text ,and traslaction is :
SYNONYMS
sûtah? uvâca - Sûta said; evam - thus; niúamya - hearing; bhagavân -
the powerful incarnation of God; devars?eh? - of the great sage among
the gods; janma - birth; karma - work; ca - and; bhûyah? - again;
papraccha - asked; tam - him; brahman - O brâhman?as; vyâsah? -
Vyâsadeva; satyavatî-sutah? - the son of Satyavatî.
uvâca-said
next word is the word :words
from:
http://srimadbhagavatam.com/1/6/20
Canto 1: Creation Chapter 6: Conversation Between Nârada and
Vyâsadeva
Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Úrîmad Bhâgavatam 1.6.20
evam? yatantam? vijane
mâm âhâgocaro girâm
gambhîra-úlaks?n?ayâ vâcâ
úucah? praúamayann iva
SYNONYMS
evam - thus; yatantam - one who is engaged in attempting; vijane - in
that lonely place; mâm - unto me; âha - said; agocarah? - beyond the
range of physical sound; girâm - utterances; gambhîra - grave; úlaks?
n?aya - pleasing to hear; vâcâ - words; úucah? - grief; praúamayan -
mitigating; iva - like.
TRANSLATION
Seeing my attempts in that lonely place, the Personality of Godhead,
who is transcendental to all mundane description, spoke to me with
gravity and pleasing words, just to mitigate my grief.
Focus on the text is here:
evam? yatantam? vijane
mâm âhâgocaro girâm
gambhîra-úlaks?n?ayâ vâcâ
úucah? praúamayann iva
and explanation is :
SYNONYMS
evam - thus; yatantam - one who is engaged in attempting; vijane - in
that lonely place; mâm - unto me; âha - said; agocarah? - beyond the
range of physical sound; girâm - utterances; gambhîra - grave; úlaks?
n?aya - pleasing to hear; vâcâ - words; úucah? - grief; praúamayan -
mitigating; iva - like.
vâcâ - words
Now let's make a reconstruction for the word uvaca
Chapter 3: Kr?s?n?a Is the Source of All Incarnations
Bhaktivedanta VedaBase: Úrimad Bhagavatam 1.3.44
tatra kirtayato vipra
viprars?er bhuri-tejasah?
aham? cadhyagamam? tatra
nivis?t?as tad-anugrahat
so 'ham? vah? úravayis?yami
yathadhitam? yatha-mati
SYNONYMS
tatra - there; kîrtayatah? - while reciting; viprâh? - O brâhman?as;
vipra-r?s?eh? - from the great brâhman?a-r?s?i; bhûri - greatly;
tejasah? - powerful; aham - I; ca - also; adhyagamam - could
understand; tatra - in that meeting; nivis?t?ah? - being perfectly
attentive; tat-anugrahât - by his mercy; sah? - that very thing;
aham - I; vah? - unto you; úravayis?yami - shall let you hear; yathâ-
adhîtam yathâ-mati - as far as my realization.
TRANSLATION
O learned brâhman?as, when Úukadeva Gosvâmî recited Bhâgavatam there
[in the presence of Emperor Parîks?it], I heard him with rapt
attention, and thus, by his mercy, I learned the Bhâgavatam from that
great and powerful sage. Now I shall try to make you hear the very
same thing as I learned it from him and as I have realized it.
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>From this text we focus on the word >ca <
tatra kirtayato vipra
viprars?er bhuri-tejasah?
aham? cadhyagamam? tatra
nivis?t?as tad-anugrahat
so 'ham? vah? úravayis?yami
yathadhitam? yatha-mati
and it explanation: :
SYNONYMS
tatra - there; kîrtayatah? - while reciting; viprâh? - O brâhman?as;
vipra-r?s?eh? - from the great brâhman?a-r?s?i; bhûri - greatly;
tejasah? - powerful; aham - I; ca - also; adhyagamam - could
understand; tatra - in that meeting; nivis?t?ah? - being perfectly
attentive; tat-anugrahât - by his mercy; sah? - that very thing;
aham - I; vah? - unto you; úravayis?yami - shall let you hear; yathâ-
adhîtam yathâ-mati - as far as my realization.
ca-also;
Now a bit of free reconstruction for finding the word-Word from here:
uvâca-said
vâca-words
ca-also
u/vâ/ca
if I make a paralele with our word Duma with
uvâca-said
..if someone is something said
and that saying is often
ca-also than rest is Uva -U/va
*Uva~Duma
U-U
*V->*B->*M
A-A
*Uva->*Uma->(D)Uma->Duma
Now back to the Text :
1.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
Word was
God
In the beginning was the Word and the word was
*U/va and *U/va was with Bhagavan
Bhagavan is God in Sanscrit
Bhaga/van
Bhaga/(U)VAN
Bhaga/Van
.. and the Word was God
with u/va this condition is inpossible to be explained
,maybe if it is opserved only as
UVA-U/Va-
*V-*B-*M
and than is U/MA
Ma as Mother
2. The same was in the beginning with God.
-UVA(N)was in the beginning with Bhaga
.
.
.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made
that was
made.
what it's Today's as a hindy version:
UVAN~DUMA~DON
*DON->*ODON->*OGON->*OGNI->*AGNI->*HAGNI->Fire
*DON->*DAN->*PAN->PANI-water
*DON->*DUMA->*DUVA->
*D->*H (via D-> Dz-K's->X->H)
*Duva->*Huva->*Hauva->*Hawa-Air
They are only three elements in Hynduism
the fourth one is Mother Earth Herself
for the Earth are saying Zemni
or for the planet Earth will say DUNYIA
Don->Don ia->Dunyia
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was
Bhagavan
and a question why is that
bhagavân - the Supreme Lord; -
BHAGA/VAN
*B->*M
*H->'
*A->A
*G->K
*A->AE->E
_______
B H A G A
M ' A K E
_______
VAN
*V->W->*D
*A->O
*N-N
______
V A N
D O N
______
BHAGA/VAN
M' AKE /DON
_____________
BHAGAVAN~MAKEDON
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Homer BhagavanSKI
alijaz
Homer Makedonski
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