[gothic-l] Re: word question

[llama_nom]

Hi Dirk,

I don't know.  I only have more questions!  Like: was the Latin 
inscription made at the same time as the Gothic one, by the same 
person, or later?  There used to be a picture of it somewhere, maybe 
at the University of Kiel Gotisch-Projekte site (Skeireins Projekt + 
Gotica minora), but the links don't seem to be working these days:

http://www.germsem.uni-kiel.de/forschung/forschung.htm

Which is a shame.  Does anyone know what became of them?  Has anyone 
got a copy of the Brunshausen page?  There is an artcle:

Düwel, Klaus. "Gotisches in Brunshausen?" In Wentilseo: I Germani 
sulle sponde del Mare Nostrum: Atti del Convegno Internazionale di 
Studi Padova, 13–15 ottobre 1999, ed. Alessandro Zironi, 119–48. 
Studi e testi di linguistica e filologia germanica 6. Padova: 
Unipress, 2001. [132–44: Stone fragment from Brunshausen with roman 
inscription containing a word that has been interpreted as RUNICA.]

But I haven't seen it.

The other evidence for awareness of the Gothic alphabet at this time 
is the Codex Segonensis (=Codex Parisina) -- also discussed at that 
now mysteriously missing University of Kiel site -- a Carolingian 
manuscript listing the Latin and Gothic equivalents of several 
biblical names (in some cases showing slight differences from the 
texts that survive of the Gothic bible), and a selection of 
individual letters with their Latin equivalents, suggesting perhaps 
that whoever made the original list had access not just to Gothic 
manuscripts, but to people who knew how to pronounce them -- unless 
these are just guesses made by comparison of the biblical names, and 
the Latin & Greek scripts.

Do you know anything about a decree to destroy Gothic manuscripts in 
Spain some time in the early 11th century?  I just have a vague 
memory of reading something like that ages ago, but I haven't been 
able to find a reference.

I think someone once suggested that the preservation of legends 
connected with Dietrich (of Bern) in Germany was due to migrants 
escaping the downfall of Ostrogothic Italy, but who knows.

Finally (and this is much earlier, further south, and not for sure 
Gothic!), there is an Alemannic silver disc brooch from Bülach, 
Switzerland (3rd-6th century) with the runes: frifridil du aftmu, 
which is usually interpreted in terms of Alemannic, but as Looijenga 
admits "instead of du one would have expected a spelling þu in the 
6th c."  On the other hand, reading it as Gothic: Frifridil du aftum
[in] "lover to the last" presents no d/þ problem, and has the 
advantage of actually meaning something.  Of course, it could just 
as easily be Burgundian, or some other East Germanic dialect.

Llama Nom



--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <dirk at s...> wrote:
> 
> Hi Llama Nom,
> 
> is there any explanation why somebody in the early 9th century in 
> middle/northern Germany would carve an inscription in Gothic, 
using 
> the Gothic alphabet. If this interpretation of the Brunshausen 
> inscription is correct, should this be related to the Codex 
> Argenteum, which was probably in Germany (maybe Aachen) at that 
time?
> Are there any other indications that people were using the Gothic 
> alphabet anywhere at that time?
> 
> 
> Cheers
> Dirk

> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at o...> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Fredrik,
> > 
> > There is a single word in Gothic letters on a stone (not a 
> > tombstone) found at the Benedictine convent of Brunshausen.





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