[gothic-l] Re: Goths as more than barbarians

[Le Bateman]

To the  Romans all Germanic speaking peoples were Barbarians because first
of all they did not live in City States and secondly their language was to
the Roman mind unintelligible, to the Romans it sounded Barbaric. They did
not speak Latin, so they were not civilized. They had the same view of the
Celtic tribe in Gaul called the Belgae, yet the Belgae kept records in
Greek. Caesar's Gallic Wars tells of this.
Le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tore Gannholm" <tore at gannholm.org>
To: <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Re: Goths as more than barbarians



Hi,
 From the Roman point of view the Goths were barbarians as they were not
Romans. Everybody who was not a Roman was a barbarian. This was not
negative.

Today the barbarian has another meaning. I think it is important you
study the change in the meaning of the word "barbarian".
Unfortunately most people today don't know the old meaning of the word
"barbarian".

Tore


On Nov 20, 2004, at 1:04 AM, gretchen harrelson wrote:

>
>  Ok, I need to be a bit more specific... I am searching
>  for sources dealing with the 3rd and 4th century
>  Visigoths. I am writing against the stereotype
>  assigned to the Visigoths, that they were Barbarians,
>  in the most negative light.
>  --- faltin2001 <dirk at smra.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  >
>  > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "gretchie77"
>  > <gretchie77 at y...> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > I am searching for reputable resources showing
>  > Goths as more than
>  > > just a war loving culture...any
>  > suggestions..thanks! I do know they
>  > > traveled with their families and loved their
>  > children, but cannot
>  > > find the literature to back it up.
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > I think people of practically all cultures travel
>  > with their families
>  > and love their children - so you probably don't need
>  > to back this up
>  > with literature references. If you take any standard
>  > work on Gothic
>  > history such as Peter Heather or Herwig Wolfram, you
>  > would find that
>  > they were more than just single-mindedly looking for
>  > war. If you look
>  > at books like Schaetze der Ostgoten, you can see
>  > many examples of
>  > their refined artwork.
>  >
>  > Cheers
>  > Dirk
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
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