[gothic-l] Re: Hansa

[OSCAR HERRERA]

thattei alls god ist. auk weis skuld gamelid in gutrazda.

Tore Gannholm <tore at gannholm.org> wrote:
Wilhelm,
You are quite correct that we must see the history from more sides.
Lübeck was the Deutsche Hanse in the 15th century. From German point of 
view and especially with the contribution of Rörig this is the Hanse 
and the historian have projected the history backwards.
This is very common.
I attended a Hanse symposium in Lübeck some years back and brought up 
the background to the Hanse. Most scolars there had suppressed it or 
were unaware of it as it did not fit into their picture.
However when we discussed the matter they agreed that the Gotlandic 
involvement in the early Baltic trade was gigantic and that the 
Westphalians had broken into that trade by settleling in the newly 
formed village of Lübeck and after the Artlenburg peace between 
Heinrich Löwe and Gotland in 1161 started to settle in Visby and 
forming "universitatem communium mercatorun".

When I started researching the history of Gotland the mainstream was 
100% the Swedish view as they were the winners after annexing Gotland 
in 1679.

Today the Gotlandic side of the history is accepted even by most Swedes.



On Nov 24, 2004, at 3:01 PM, WILHELM OTTO wrote:

>
> Dear Dirk and Francisc.
> I note that Dirk refers to an earlier discussion with Tore about 
> Hansa. I
> only have followed the list for a year or so, and did not know about 
> this.
> Sorry.
> Most of our knowledge, and especially scientific knowledge, is 
> mainstream.
> Social communication would not work otherwise. But as our knowledge 
> is not
> static, we have to try to expand it a little now and then. It was 
> what I
> tried to do when I started the discussion with Terje. It was not a 
> planned
> assault from my part. I just drifted into it.
> But the thoughts I have hade for some time is that the victorious 
> writes the
> history. The Lübeck Germans were very successful for a long time. And 
> the
> Baltic trade is old. Kjell Kumlien points out that the Danes plans 
> for an
> emporium were lost 1227 in a battle at "Bornhoeved".


It is north to Hamburg.

> Does that mean
> Bornholm? From around 1000, when Canute became the absolute power in
> Scandinavia until then the Danes had an upper hand.  There are a lot 
> of St
> Canute and St. Hans guilds and their churches around.
>
> This is not enough to make a forceful argument, but a tentative 
> question if
> anyone may see a pattern I am grasping for. Sometime it is mainstream 
> to
> identify a loser's history as well as the victors´!
> Wilhelm
>

Tore



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