[gothic-l] Re: *bleis, dauthubleis*

[llama_nom]

I've wondered about that bilis connection too.  As for the 
adjective, if bli'waz > Go. blius (cf. lasius beside the more normal 
lasiws), it could easily have come to be treated as a u-stem, which 
would explain dauthubljans.

On the other hand, OE bleo (the noun) is discussed in Campbell's Old 
English Grammar, 578.5: bleo "has a diphthong due to early 
contraction but is historically a ja- stem, Gmc. blija-."  And in a 
footnote: "distinguish bliwa- 'lead', ON bly', OHG blio, bli".  He 
sounds quite definite on this, but I don't know the full evidence.

There's also (maybe coincidentally) an OIc.: daudyfli, neut. 'dead 
thing, carcass' - though Zoega divides this up daud- + yfli.

Not sure if that gets us anywhere...

Llama Nom


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "thiudans" <thiudans at y...> wrote:
> 
> As I am hand-correcting Bosworth-Toller for Sean Crist's project, 
> I often imagine what the Go. form of a certain OE word might be, 
> or if there's one that already exists. Translating an OE sentence 
I 
> happened upon the word (ge)-bleoh, -bleo' "coloured". A search 
> in Gerhard Koebler's GW finds the entry *-bleis, "coloured"; but 
> the etymological information is lacking. He suggest possible 
> connexion to Lw. Lat. -bilis. 
> 
> This seems a bit questionable in light of the possibility of being 
> cognate with the abovementioned Gmc. (OE) form. Falk Fick 
> Torp (286) has under the entry  *bli-1 scheinen (< PIE 
*bhle'[i,u]) 
> *blîwa- "Farbe" citing A-S and Fris. examples with meanings 
> colour or coloured. 
> 
> Thus we may postulate a Germ. *bli'wam "colour" and *bli'waz 
> "coloured" Go. -bleis (from 1 Cor. 4,9 in Cod. Ambr. A, the Acc. 
Pl. 
> form "dauthubljans" death-hued.) could have been an error for 
> wa-stem adjective (composited form) or an example of a wa-
> stem having gone over to ia-stem adjectives (i.e. long ja-stem, 
> like wiltheis). Wright notes how in fact only "a very few 
adjectives 
> of [the wa-class] are extant in Gothic". 
> 
> Admittedly, this has the minor problem of explaining how a 
> single manuscript form "dauthubljans" could be a mistake for *
> dauthubleiwans. Ignoring the possibility of taking "-bljans" as a 
> shortened final composite form in the code "-coloured", I would 
> suggest here that *bleiws (already perhaps too close to *blews 
> 'blue' or unfavorably finding itself in the paltry wa-class) had 
> been reformed as *bleis after wiltheis etc.
> 
> Koebler refers to Holthausen, which I don't have access to at the 
> moment. I wonder if there is connexion to a root form with 
> meaning "pale", thus "death-pale" rather than "death-coloured", 
> cf. NHG bleich. This however might require a velar suffix ?*-blei-
> k-s.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Matthew





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