Thuringians = Tervingian Goths II

faltin2001 dirk at SMRA.CO.UK
Tue Aug 23 06:39:18 UTC 2005


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, macmaster at r... wrote:
> 
> The main questions I would have regarding this theory are:
> -- why wouldn't anyone 400-600 have called the 
Thuringians "Goths"?  They
> were allied to Theodoric's italian kingdom and generally appear as
> themselves but no mention is made of Northern Goths.  the Gothic 
name at
> this time would be far more prestigious and I would assume that it 
would
> be much vaunted.
> -- wouldn't this involve a major linguistic shift from East 
Germanic?  Is
> there any evidence of this?
> 
> Tom
> 

Hi Tom,

excited that somebody actually did respond to this new and important
theory I forgot to comment on you second point. The author Grahn-Hoek
does not discuss linguistics in the study and I don't really have an
answer. I suppose the question is how 'major' was the different 
between East- and West Germanic in 380AD. We know from historical 
sources that at least two (probably three) West Germanic groups were
incorporated into this Teruingi-Teuringi kingdom: Warnians, Anglians
and Suebians. If the linguistic difference was mostly dialectual than
this combination would have led to a levelling of the languages over
the following centuries and there is no written evidence for the 
Thuringian language/dialect before 800AD.

However, personal names are usually more conservative than the 
language as a whole and several authors have in the past noted that
Thuringian personal names (e.g. Ermenefrid, Artagais, Radagais, 
Radaulf, Radegundis, Ermenegisl, Amalafrid etc.) are more typical of 
East Germanic personal names than of West Germanic personal names.
 
Cheers
Dirk





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