[gothic-l] Re: Neologisms Dictionary
llama_nom
600cell at OE.ECLIPSE.CO.UK
Sat Feb 5 19:28:25 UTC 2005
> > bihliuþs - umlaut
> > afhliuþs - ablaut
> > afhliudatewa - ablaut series
Maybe -hliuþ, neuter a-stem, is better--even though the one attested
example of this word is now thought to be a misreading, still it
appears in some dictionaries and would correspond to Norse hljo'ð.
Basic meaning, paradoxical: "sound" or "silence"!
Couple more suggestions:
*inwageins "emotion"
*uswageins "excitement"
cf. the relevant verbs.
j.s.fws. jah swa framwigis "and so on" (phrase actually
attested "and so thenceforth"; framwigis "henceforth, thenceforth")
= Icelandic j.s.fvs, og svo framvegis.
ktl. (Gk, kai ta loipa) = jah laibos = etc. / et cetera, "and the
rest..." (from the Skeireins)
But too many abbreviation could get confused with numbers.
Llama Nom
--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
>
> Llama Nom
>
> Nice done...I just thought of this myself some days ago, and now I
> wont need to think of this anymore :)
> But I miss two words, one for 'gender' and one for 'case'.
> I assume gender would be 'kunds' and case 'drusts', considering
what
> your words contain.
> >
> > Some suggestions for grammar words I thought of a while back;
> assume
> > asterisks everywhere except gumakunds "male",
qinakunds "female",
> > samaqiss "agreement":
> >
> > waihtiwaurd - noun
> > tojawaurd - verb
> > hvileikawaurd - adjective
> > hvewaurd - adverb
> > faurwaurd - pronoun
> > frehawaurd - interrogative
> > raþjawaurd - numeral
> > particle - daili (or attested: drauhsna, gabruka, daila "piece
of
> > money, fellowship")
> >
> > gumakunds - masculine
> > qinakunds - feminine
> > nihvaþarakunds - neuter (half-calque on Latin)
> >
> > namnadrusts (nd.) - nominative
> > þuladrusts (þd.) - accusative
> > aiginadrusts (ad.) - genitive
> > gibadrusts (gd.) - dative
> > hvedrusts (hvd.) - intrumental
> >
> > afdrusts, ibdrusts?, halþs - oblique
> >
> > (Those owe a lot to Icelandic, except that they're nouns, but I
> > picked *gibadrusts, rather than *nimadrusts for the sake of
> > abbreviations, to avoid confusion over initials. Maybe the
> > adjective of nominative could be a past participle
*namnadrusans.)
> >
> > numel - present tense
> > faurmel - past tense, preterite (cf. faur mel "before time, in
> > advance"; faur "ago, past"; or like Icelandic *þanmel, but this
> > would make it harder to translate Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's
> Rainbow
> > into Gothic...)
> > anawairþamel - future tense
> >
> > spillamodei - indicative mood
> > untriggwamodei - subjunctive
> > = wiljamodei - optative
> > tojastibna - active voice
> > þulastibna - passive voice
> >
> > samaqiss - agreement
> >
> > relative particle - kunjando daili
> > compund word - gagahaftiþ waurd
> > conjunction - bindawaurd
> >
> > bihliuþs - umlaut
> > afhliuþs - ablaut
> > afhliudatewa - ablaut series
> >
> > Incidentally, has anyone noticed whether Gothic has any tendency
to
> > agree more with North or West Germanic in words of doubtful
> gender?
> > All the examples I can think of are unclear in Gothic, due to
lack
> > of attested forms: dal(s), biuþ(s), lubi/lubja.
> >
> > Llama Nom
> >
> >
> > PS. here's something I discovered last night:
> >
> > http://www.dike.de/pfr-tischner/22-spr/ht-germ/krimgot.htm
> >
> > A "complete etymological dictionary of Crimean Gothic", with
> > speculations on pronunciation.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "thiudans" <thiudans at y...>
wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > My domain matthewcarver.com is in limbo right now... the old
> credit
> > > card it was drawing from expired and they were sending notices
to
> a
> > > defunct email address. i'm waiting for another month i think.
> > anyway i
> > > still have the files on my storage disk. funny, i had
forgotten
> > about
> > > stormloader until a few months ago. don't think i remember the
> > > password or username for changing the files. :) i could repost
> the
> > old
> > > neologisms i gathered from the first few hundred posts of this
> > list if
> > > you're interested...
> > >
> > > -Matthew
> > >
> > >
> > > > Some other sources for neologisms:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/goth/kuni/
> > > > http://members.aol.com/yahyam/BagmeBloma.html
> > > > http://www.stormloader.com/carver/gutrazda/
> > > > http://matthewcarver.com/gutrazda/
> > > >
> > > > The last is Matthew's newer site, but unfortunately it
doesn't
> > seem
> > > > to be working these days. It had some fun stuff composed by
> > members
> > > > of this list, long before I joined. His old site also has
> > Tolkien's
> > > > Bagme Bloma. (Re which: wagjand lindos seems more like it
> ought
> > to
> > > > be "they shake lindens/shields?" than "...gently". And
> > fraujinon
> > > > takes dative, so: fraujinondei fairgunja -- which wrecks the
> > rhyme
> > > > scheme, I know...) There is a newer corrected version of
Tim
> > > > O'Neil's Wulfila Poem here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.ancientsites.com/aw/Post/226178
> > > >
> > > > Llama Nom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanx...
> > > > >
> > > > > That seems to be a quite good idea, to collect neologisms
> from
> > > > > different persons...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom"
<600cell at o...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Excellent stuff, Fredrik!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just looked at the dictionary. When I have time I'll
> > extract
> > > > the
> > > > > > approximately 20 neologisms from my English-Gothic
> > dictionary
> > > > for
> > > > > > you. If this is okay with Francisc, it would be good to
> > include
> > > > > his
> > > > > > creations and make a really big combined effort. >
> > > > > > Llama Nom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik"
<gadrauhts at h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Llama Nom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I totaly agree with anuþs instead of anuds. And with d
in
> > > > plural
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > some cases in singular. The similarity with 'anus'
that
> > some
> > > > > > > mentioned ain't that shocking. If I remember right
that
> > word
> > > > > > > means 'ring', and what is shocking about that, (except
> the
> > > > > obvious
> > > > > > > reason)?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I read the post 1223 and found that very interesting.
A
> > lot of
> > > > > > those
> > > > > > > words are similar to neologisms I "made" myself.
> > > > > > > Such words as potato and strawberry are the same as I
> > thought
> > > > of.
> > > > > > > I don't think I've seen any word for nut anywhere som
> > guess it
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > be like hnutus or something like that, (don't know
which
> > > > gender).
> > > > > > To
> > > > > > > continue the same way of making the words of potato
and
> > > > stawberry
> > > > > > > with the word aírþa- as first part, I'd like to add
the
> > word
> > > > > > > aírþahnutus as peanut. (swedish: jordnöt = peanut).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > About the word for president 1223 had faursitands, and
i
> > > > thought
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > faurasitands. Is faur better than faura in this case?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a list of neologisms (and some, maybe 5 non
> > neologisms)
> > > > if
> > > > > > > some one is interested. I guess some are not that well
> > done,
> > > > cos
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > made em when I wasn't that good at this. But I hope
you
> > can
> > > > tell
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > corrections.
> > > > > > > It's on a website that is:
> > > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/gutiska/lex/neologism.html
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > /Fredrik
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom"
> > <600cell at o...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oscar,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ni ibnaleik ak galeik! ("Not equal, but similar", to
> > > > paraphrase
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > Skeireins...) Ahaks "pigeon". Anaks "suddenly".
But
> > > > alright
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > alliteration, oh dear:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Nu skulum namnjan
> > > > > > > > namna fugle,
> > > > > > > > anuþ jah ahak,
> > > > > > > > all þatei fliugiþ,
> > > > > > > > hrabn hrukjandan,
> > > > > > > > hraiwadubon,
> > > > > > > > aran swaswe agatja,
> > > > > > > > airþabundanana hanan.
> > > > > > > > Gauros gansuns
> > > > > > > > goljand sik uhtwon.
> > > > > > > > Falka sa frija
> > > > > > > > ufar fulþon galaiþ,
> > > > > > > > unafswaggwiþs
> > > > > > > > sweþauh waijiþ.
> > > > > > > > Sparwan, sparwari
> > > > > > > > bi spedistin qiþa.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fredrik,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Looks good to me. I'd wondered about this word ages
> > ago,
> > > > > before
> > > > > > I
> > > > > > > > had access to all these great dictionaries on the
> > internet.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > > remember what conclusion I reached, if any, but I
> didn't
> > > > know
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > > > the Lithuanian cognate then--which I think is what
> > suggests
> > > > an
> > > > > i-
> > > > > > > > stem. Makes a nice addition to our Gothic
vocabulary!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The normal practice is to change -d to -þ at the end
of
> > a
> > > > word
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > before -s, but sometimes the -d was written as
such.
> > E.g.
> > > > gods
> > > > > > &
> > > > > > > > goþs both occur, and by chance the former is
actually
> > more
> > > > > > common.
> > > > > > > > Apparently such spellings are most often found in
> > certain
> > > > > > specific
> > > > > > > > sections of the Bible, e.g. Luke's gospel.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Oh and on the subject of reconstructing vocabulary,
you
> > > > might
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > > interested in Post 1223, a very early message from
> > Francisc
> > > > > > which I
> > > > > > > > came across recently. Especially the ingenious
lists
> of
> > > > > > chemical
> > > > > > > > and geographical terms.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The Cleasby & Vigfusson Icelandic-English Dictionary
> has
> > > > some
> > > > > > > > interesting comments on Gothic, including at least
one
> > > > probable
> > > > > > > loan-
> > > > > > > > word into Old Spanish, not listed in Koebler:
> > > > *brano "heifer"
> > > > > > > (young
> > > > > > > > female cow) = OIc. brana.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > And finally, Francisc,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good work on the Crossword! I've added your
guesses.
> I
> > > > hope
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > > isn't making anyone too cross yet...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Llama Nom
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, OSCAR HERRERA
> > > > <duke.co at s...>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > waila,so waurd anaks(pigeons) samaleika ist...
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Fredrik <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi all!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't do much so i think about words in gothic
> which
> > i
> > > > > > cannot
> > > > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > > in any dicctionary. Now it's the gothic word for
> duck.
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > > searched for it in all dicctionaries I know about
on
> > > > internet
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > without finding any so i took the freedom to
recreate
> > it
> > > > > > instead.
> > > > > > > > > I wonder if you think this is ok or if not.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The word in swedish is 'and' (or in another
> > form 'anka')
> > > > and
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > german is 'ente'. Acording to some books and
> > dicctionaries
> > > > > > (like
> > > > > > > > > runeberg.org) this comes from *anuðiz.
> > > > > > > > > I guess this would have been 'anuds' in gothic,
and
> an
> > i-
> > > > stem.
> > > > > > > > > The icelandic önd and the german ente is both
> feminine
> > so
> > > > > > > > therefore
> > > > > > > > > I guess the gothic word also is feminine.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Comments please!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > /Fredrik
> > > > > > > > >
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