[gothic-l] Re: kusanata (Jordanes in Gothic)

[Manie Lombard]

Hails

But does not auja mean "luck"?

Manie

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From: "llama_nom" <600cell at oe.eclipse.co.uk>
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Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM
Subject: [gothic-l] Re: kusanata (Jordanes in Gothic)


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> Hi Vladimir,
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> That's interesting.  The nominative singular of Gothic *aujom
> (dat.pl.) would be *auja (feminine jo-stem).  The actualy form in
> Jordanes is Oium/Ojum.  Germanic cognates include:
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> OIc. ey
> OFris. ey
> Langobardic *auja
> OE ieg (survives in MnE island, with spelling influenced by the
> unrelated French isle)
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> Under island the Oxford English dictionary comments: "1. a. A piece
> of land completely surrounded by water.  Formerly used less
> definitely, including a peninsula, or a place insulated at high
> water or during floods, or begirt by marshes, a usage which survives
> in particular instances..." (e.g. certain place names.)
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> (And related, German Au(e) < OHG ouwa.)
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> I'm completely ignorant of the history of Finnish, so I don't know
> if changes in Finnish alone can account for the form given, but in
> Germanic this word would be *aujo > Proto Norse *auju.
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> Llama Nom
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> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "?????? ????????" <vegorov at i...>
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>> Hi Llama Nom!
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>> If <Aujom> is treated as the dative, what could be the nominative?
>> Accordingly, may be considered, in your opinion,
>> Finnish <oja> "ditch, drain" as a possible origin
>> of this mysterious toponym?
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>> Vladimir
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: llama_nom [mailto:600cell at o...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:48 PM
>> To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: kusanata (Jordanes in Gothic)
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>> "ana Aujom" I treated it like names where the preposition and
> dative
>> are conventionally fixed as part of the name, as sometimes happens
>> in OE and ON, since the Latin form seems to have taken over the
>> dative ending from Gothic.
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>> Llama Nom
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