[gothic-l] *awi, *auja (was: kusanata)

[llama_nom]

Hails Manie,

First, a correction to something I wrote: The word meaning "water
meadow, land liable to flooding, island, etc.", jo-stem, feminine,
would actually give Gothic *AWI in the nominative singular, declined
like 'mawi' (acc.sg. *auja, etc.).

I think the word meaning "luck" is cited in the form AUJA by Koebler
because one of the early Scandinavian runic inscriptions which
contains it has been considered East Germanic.  But the grounds for
such attributions I gather is often quite tenuous.

The regular Gothic form corresponding to Proto Norse AUJA would be
*AWI as well, neuter ja-stem, declined like 'hawi'.

Llama Nom



--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Manie Lombard" <manielombard at c...>
wrote:
> Hails
>
> But does not auja mean "luck"?
>
> Manie
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "llama_nom" <600cell at o...>
> To: <gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 7:25 PM
> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: kusanata (Jordanes in Gothic)
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Vladimir,
> >
> > That's interesting.  The nominative singular of Gothic *aujom
> > (dat.pl.) would be *auja (feminine jo-stem).  The actualy form in
> > Jordanes is Oium/Ojum.  Germanic cognates include:
> >
> > OIc. ey
> > OFris. ey
> > Langobardic *auja
> > OE ieg (survives in MnE island, with spelling influenced by the
> > unrelated French isle)
> >
> > Under island the Oxford English dictionary comments: "1. a. A
piece
> > of land completely surrounded by water.  Formerly used less
> > definitely, including a peninsula, or a place insulated at high
> > water or during floods, or begirt by marshes, a usage which
survives
> > in particular instances..." (e.g. certain place names.)
> >
> > (And related, German Au(e) < OHG ouwa.)
> >
> > I'm completely ignorant of the history of Finnish, so I don't
know
> > if changes in Finnish alone can account for the form given, but
in
> > Germanic this word would be *aujo > Proto Norse *auju.
> >
> > Llama Nom
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "?????? ????????" <vegorov at i...>
> > wrote:
> >> *****
> >>
> >> Hi Llama Nom!
> >>
> >> If <Aujom> is treated as the dative, what could be the
nominative?
> >> Accordingly, may be considered, in your opinion,
> >> Finnish <oja> "ditch, drain" as a possible origin
> >> of this mysterious toponym?
> >>
> >> Vladimir
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: llama_nom [mailto:600cell at o...]
> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:48 PM
> >> To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: [gothic-l] Re: kusanata (Jordanes in Gothic)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ...
> >> "ana Aujom" I treated it like names where the preposition and
> > dative
> >> are conventionally fixed as part of the name, as sometimes
happens
> >> in OE and ON, since the Latin form seems to have taken over the
> >> dative ending from Gothic.
> >> ...
> >>
> >> Llama Nom
> >>
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