[gothic-l] Re: Neologisms Dictionary + new site on Crimean Gothic
Fredrik
gadrauhts at HOTMAIL.COM
Mon Jan 24 15:00:54 UTC 2005
Llama Nom
Nice done...I just thought of this myself some days ago, and now I
wont need to think of this anymore :)
But I miss two words, one for 'gender' and one for 'case'.
I assume gender would be 'kunds' and case 'drusts', considering what
your words contain.
>
> Some suggestions for grammar words I thought of a while back;
assume
> asterisks everywhere except gumakunds "male", qinakunds "female",
> samaqiss "agreement":
>
> waihtiwaurd - noun
> tojawaurd - verb
> hvileikawaurd - adjective
> hvewaurd - adverb
> faurwaurd - pronoun
> frehawaurd - interrogative
> raþjawaurd - numeral
> particle - daili (or attested: drauhsna, gabruka, daila "piece of
> money, fellowship")
>
> gumakunds - masculine
> qinakunds - feminine
> nihvaþarakunds - neuter (half-calque on Latin)
>
> namnadrusts (nd.) - nominative
> þuladrusts (þd.) - accusative
> aiginadrusts (ad.) - genitive
> gibadrusts (gd.) - dative
> hvedrusts (hvd.) - intrumental
>
> afdrusts, ibdrusts?, halþs - oblique
>
> (Those owe a lot to Icelandic, except that they're nouns, but I
> picked *gibadrusts, rather than *nimadrusts for the sake of
> abbreviations, to avoid confusion over initials. Maybe the
> adjective of nominative could be a past participle *namnadrusans.)
>
> numel - present tense
> faurmel - past tense, preterite (cf. faur mel "before time, in
> advance"; faur "ago, past"; or like Icelandic *þanmel, but this
> would make it harder to translate Thomas Pynchon's Gravity's
Rainbow
> into Gothic...)
> anawairþamel - future tense
>
> spillamodei - indicative mood
> untriggwamodei - subjunctive
> = wiljamodei - optative
> tojastibna - active voice
> þulastibna - passive voice
>
> samaqiss - agreement
>
> relative particle - kunjando daili
> compund word - gagahaftiþ waurd
> conjunction - bindawaurd
>
> bihliuþs - umlaut
> afhliuþs - ablaut
> afhliudatewa - ablaut series
>
> Incidentally, has anyone noticed whether Gothic has any tendency to
> agree more with North or West Germanic in words of doubtful
gender?
> All the examples I can think of are unclear in Gothic, due to lack
> of attested forms: dal(s), biuþ(s), lubi/lubja.
>
> Llama Nom
>
>
> PS. here's something I discovered last night:
>
> http://www.dike.de/pfr-tischner/22-spr/ht-germ/krimgot.htm
>
> A "complete etymological dictionary of Crimean Gothic", with
> speculations on pronunciation.
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "thiudans" <thiudans at y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > My domain matthewcarver.com is in limbo right now... the old
credit
> > card it was drawing from expired and they were sending notices to
a
> > defunct email address. i'm waiting for another month i think.
> anyway i
> > still have the files on my storage disk. funny, i had forgotten
> about
> > stormloader until a few months ago. don't think i remember the
> > password or username for changing the files. :) i could repost
the
> old
> > neologisms i gathered from the first few hundred posts of this
> list if
> > you're interested...
> >
> > -Matthew
> >
> >
> > > Some other sources for neologisms:
> > >
> > > http://www.angelfire.com/goth/kuni/
> > > http://members.aol.com/yahyam/BagmeBloma.html
> > > http://www.stormloader.com/carver/gutrazda/
> > > http://matthewcarver.com/gutrazda/
> > >
> > > The last is Matthew's newer site, but unfortunately it doesn't
> seem
> > > to be working these days. It had some fun stuff composed by
> members
> > > of this list, long before I joined. His old site also has
> Tolkien's
> > > Bagme Bloma. (Re which: wagjand lindos seems more like it
ought
> to
> > > be "they shake lindens/shields?" than "...gently". And
> fraujinon
> > > takes dative, so: fraujinondei fairgunja -- which wrecks the
> rhyme
> > > scheme, I know...) There is a newer corrected version of Tim
> > > O'Neil's Wulfila Poem here:
> > >
> > > http://www.ancientsites.com/aw/Post/226178
> > >
> > > Llama Nom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanx...
> > > >
> > > > That seems to be a quite good idea, to collect neologisms
from
> > > > different persons...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at o...>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Excellent stuff, Fredrik!
> > > > >
> > > > > I just looked at the dictionary. When I have time I'll
> extract
> > > the
> > > > > approximately 20 neologisms from my English-Gothic
> dictionary
> > > for
> > > > > you. If this is okay with Francisc, it would be good to
> include
> > > > his
> > > > > creations and make a really big combined effort. >
> > > > > Llama Nom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Fredrik" <gadrauhts at h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Llama Nom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I totaly agree with anuþs instead of anuds. And with d in
> > > plural
> > > > > and
> > > > > > some cases in singular. The similarity with 'anus' that
> some
> > > > > > mentioned ain't that shocking. If I remember right that
> word
> > > > > > means 'ring', and what is shocking about that, (except
the
> > > > obvious
> > > > > > reason)?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I read the post 1223 and found that very interesting. A
> lot of
> > > > > those
> > > > > > words are similar to neologisms I "made" myself.
> > > > > > Such words as potato and strawberry are the same as I
> thought
> > > of.
> > > > > > I don't think I've seen any word for nut anywhere som
> guess it
> > > > > would
> > > > > > be like hnutus or something like that, (don't know which
> > > gender).
> > > > > To
> > > > > > continue the same way of making the words of potato and
> > > stawberry
> > > > > > with the word aírþa- as first part, I'd like to add the
> word
> > > > > > aírþahnutus as peanut. (swedish: jordnöt = peanut).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > About the word for president 1223 had faursitands, and i
> > > thought
> > > > > of
> > > > > > faurasitands. Is faur better than faura in this case?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have a list of neologisms (and some, maybe 5 non
> neologisms)
> > > if
> > > > > > some one is interested. I guess some are not that well
> done,
> > > cos
> > > > I
> > > > > > made em when I wasn't that good at this. But I hope you
> can
> > > tell
> > > > > me
> > > > > > corrections.
> > > > > > It's on a website that is:
> > > > > > http://www.geocities.com/gutiska/lex/neologism.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /Fredrik
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom"
> <600cell at o...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oscar,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ni ibnaleik ak galeik! ("Not equal, but similar", to
> > > paraphrase
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > Skeireins...) Ahaks "pigeon". Anaks "suddenly". But
> > > alright
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > alliteration, oh dear:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nu skulum namnjan
> > > > > > > namna fugle,
> > > > > > > anuþ jah ahak,
> > > > > > > all þatei fliugiþ,
> > > > > > > hrabn hrukjandan,
> > > > > > > hraiwadubon,
> > > > > > > aran swaswe agatja,
> > > > > > > airþabundanana hanan.
> > > > > > > Gauros gansuns
> > > > > > > goljand sik uhtwon.
> > > > > > > Falka sa frija
> > > > > > > ufar fulþon galaiþ,
> > > > > > > unafswaggwiþs
> > > > > > > sweþauh waijiþ.
> > > > > > > Sparwan, sparwari
> > > > > > > bi spedistin qiþa.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Fredrik,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looks good to me. I'd wondered about this word ages
> ago,
> > > > before
> > > > > I
> > > > > > > had access to all these great dictionaries on the
> internet.
> > > I
> > > > > > can't
> > > > > > > remember what conclusion I reached, if any, but I
didn't
> > > know
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > the Lithuanian cognate then--which I think is what
> suggests
> > > an
> > > > i-
> > > > > > > stem. Makes a nice addition to our Gothic vocabulary!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The normal practice is to change -d to -þ at the end of
> a
> > > word
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > before -s, but sometimes the -d was written as such.
> E.g.
> > > gods
> > > > > &
> > > > > > > goþs both occur, and by chance the former is actually
> more
> > > > > common.
> > > > > > > Apparently such spellings are most often found in
> certain
> > > > > specific
> > > > > > > sections of the Bible, e.g. Luke's gospel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Oh and on the subject of reconstructing vocabulary, you
> > > might
> > > > be
> > > > > > > interested in Post 1223, a very early message from
> Francisc
> > > > > which I
> > > > > > > came across recently. Especially the ingenious lists
of
> > > > > chemical
> > > > > > > and geographical terms.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The Cleasby & Vigfusson Icelandic-English Dictionary
has
> > > some
> > > > > > > interesting comments on Gothic, including at least one
> > > probable
> > > > > > loan-
> > > > > > > word into Old Spanish, not listed in Koebler:
> > > *brano "heifer"
> > > > > > (young
> > > > > > > female cow) = OIc. brana.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > And finally, Francisc,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good work on the Crossword! I've added your guesses.
I
> > > hope
> > > > it
> > > > > > > isn't making anyone too cross yet...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Llama Nom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, OSCAR HERRERA
> > > <duke.co at s...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > waila,so waurd anaks(pigeons) samaleika ist...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Fredrik <gadrauhts at h...> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi all!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't do much so i think about words in gothic
which
> i
> > > > > cannot
> > > > > > > find
> > > > > > > > in any dicctionary. Now it's the gothic word for
duck.
> I
> > > have
> > > > > > > > searched for it in all dicctionaries I know about on
> > > internet
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > without finding any so i took the freedom to recreate
> it
> > > > > instead.
> > > > > > > > I wonder if you think this is ok or if not.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The word in swedish is 'and' (or in another
> form 'anka')
> > > and
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > german is 'ente'. Acording to some books and
> dicctionaries
> > > > > (like
> > > > > > > > runeberg.org) this comes from *anuðiz.
> > > > > > > > I guess this would have been 'anuds' in gothic, and
an
> i-
> > > stem.
> > > > > > > > The icelandic önd and the german ente is both
feminine
> so
> > > > > > > therefore
> > > > > > > > I guess the gothic word also is feminine.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Comments please!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > /Fredrik
> > > > > > > >
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