Grammar questions

llama_nom 600cell at OE.ECLIPSE.CO.UK
Tue Jun 28 20:02:31 UTC 2005


> > d)...jah stodun þái nasidái faura imma.
> 
> I think variant d is correct, but am not sure (maybe Llama Nom 
knows 
> better
)



Yes 'd' is right, but with the demonstrative/article it's declined 
weak: þai nasidans.



> 
> > 6) How to make a compund word when the first word has a 
stemvowel 
> > that is the same as the second words first vowel.
> > e.g. stáins + aqizi = stáina-aqizi or stáinaqizi?
> 
> I don't know, but personally I'd prefer "stáinaqizi" (looks 
better
)



There doesn't seem to be any rule against having two vowels 
together: galiugaapaustauleis (2Cor 11,13).  Lots more examples with 
prefixes GA-, ANA- and AFTRA-.




> > b) Atta qinons þizoz juggons.
> > This is meant to be: The father of the young woman.
> 
> Again the second version: Atta qinons þizoz juggons



þizos, with final <s>.  This is the regular for the Bible, and 
sometimes found in other Germanic languages.  Alternative Skeireins-
like possibilities, perhaps: "þizos juggons qinons atta" or "atta 
þizos juggons qinons".  Not sure how relevant this is, but I've read 
that the (seperate) article is most likely to come after the noun in 
Old Norse with a nickname or a characteristic by which a person is 
known  (Álvarez: "Antiguo Islandes" 30.1.1.C): Myrkvið inn 
ókunna "Mirkwood the Unknown".  But some of his other examples are 
seem less formalised: fé þat allt "all the money"; maðr inn 
gamli "the old man".  On the other hand, 'inn gamli maðr' gets 7 
hits on Google (various sagas), as against none for 'maðr inn 
gamli'.  OE and OHG examples in Wright´s Gothic Grammar: Wulfmær se 
geonga "W. the Young"; Ludowîg ther snello "L. the Brave".  Here´s 
an interesting paper I found recently on word order of genitive 
constructions in late Old English:

The Syntax of Genitive Constructions in Old English:
placement of genitive phrases in Ælfric's second series of
Catholic Homilies (Helen R McLagan)
http://eprints.anu.edu.au/archive/00002603/01/Thesis_HMcLagan_new_dis
tilled.pdf

And for clues on the position of adjectives see Old Norse Online [ 
http://www.utexas.edu/cola/depts/lrc/eieol/norol-TC-X.html ], 
section 49, Runic Syntax--this dealing with the language of the 
earliest attested Scandinavian inscriptions.

Re. adjectival declensions, note that the genitive singular 
sometimes differed (or is believed to have differed) from 'midjis' 
in the other declensions:

masc.           neut.                          fem.

wilþeis         *wilþeis (*wilþjis?)          *wilþjaizos
hrainis         hrainis                       *hrainjaizos
*hardaus        *haurdaus                     *hardaus

Cf. Wright, Braune, Streitberg, etc.  Gothic grammars online:

http://www.talenwereld.nl/gotgram.html
http://www.wulfila.be/lib/streitberg/1920/#REF-toc
http://www.ling.upenn.edu/~kurisuto/germanic/aa_texts.html

Llama Nom




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