[gothic-l] Re: Critique wanted on Gothic pronunciation

[OSCAR HERRERA]

thiudan,haf ju thagkjun bi stadandam gaskieran boko faur gutiska du angliska,thau sama ain skuld......ik meinan ana so innaizo natjana......sijau llama-nom mag.....thiudan,have you thought of putting a translater for gothic to english...or someone should.....i mean on the internet....maybe llama nom can.....oscar

thiudans <thiudans at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hails

I had forgotten about that recording! I wonder how it would sound to
hear again, after all these years. I think I was making continuant too
many d's and b's, and of course pronouncing ai/au diphthongs.

Perhaps you are right about i. I took my cues also from noting the
apparently allophonic nature of short i or short e in early Germanic,
perhaps this contributes to the ease toward i-mutation.

For instance in Procopius: Ala'rikhos, Gise'likhos, Oui'ttigis,
O'ptaris (-rin). The accent suggests the last two syllables are short
in length. The nature of the short i however is still debated. I was
taught pronunciation of ancient Greek according to the phonologies
outlined in Vox Graeca of Sidney Allen. I don't recall his discussion
of short i, but I will try to find it. I presume the later Greek had
tense short i in accordance with later demotic, perhaps already in
Byzantine. Stephen Daitz is perhaps more well known authority on
Classical Greek pronunciation, esp. for theater. You can read about
his CD/book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1579700969/ref=pd_sim_b_2/104-0209094-6289540?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance


Anyway the pronunciation is impressive. It is also good to hear
different interpretations, almost like different "accents", perhaps
similar to how Latin was regionalized by various languages' influence.


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at o...> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Also, short "i" should probably sound less fronted (imma vs.
> eima), more like MnE "it" or
> > Fin. "sinulla". I'll keep listening to it for anything else. Very
> nice work all in all.
>
>
> Matthew,
>
> Ah, this was something I noticed on your own reading of Bagme
> Bloma. What is the evidence regarding short "i"? I've been
> imagining it as a tense vowel, as such seems to have been the case
> in the earliest stages of other early Germanic languages, but I
> don't really have any firm evidence. True, short "i" and "e" are
> often mixed up in Gothic names transcribed into Latin, but this is
> explainable in terms of developments in the Latin vowel system:
>
> [i] > [I] > [e], [e:]
>
> [i:] > [i], [i:]
>
> ...with length determined by stress. Gothic "i" and "ei" are both
> used for Greek "i", which I presume was a tense vowel then as now.
> Do you know of any examples of Gothic names with this vowel recorded
> by Greek authors?
>
> Llama Nom






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