[gothic-l] Gothic, Yiddish and High German

[Егоров Владимир]

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Hi Tore!

I guess there are no evidences of any exodus of Jews from Rhineland, 
neither narrative nor archaeological. Density of Jewish population 
along Upper Rhine during the crusades was insufficient to leave any 
distinct archaeological traces. However, the German language was in 
the central Europe of that time a universal communication means among 
poly-national merchants. The Khazar merchants were not excluded. 
All subsequent may be regarded only as a hypothesis.
After the downfall of the Khazar Empire the masses of the Khazars, 
having spoken various languages and basically more or less related 
to commerce, might rush to the west along the well-known trade paths 
and settle in the places occupied by their predecessors, the Huns, 
Avars, Magyars, and the Khasars themselves (the so-called Kovars 
run away together with the Magyars after an unfortunate insurrection). 
A part of them remained in passing along the Great Nomad Path (e.g. 
in the region around Odessa), but most of them, like the predecessors, 
including the Magyars and Kovars, reached the path end in Panonia 
(the territory of the modern Hungary), which turned out a starting point 
for a future spreading, to the north (Poland) for example. 
But a significant share of multi-national resident population 
in that starting point should use the universal communication means 
of the central Europe, i.e. the Upper Rhine German idem Yiddish. 
Once more, all this is only a hypothesis.
And an additional remark on your reference to "Vita Sancti Zotici". 
Like most of hagiographies, this "Vita" is a distinct apology of 
Christianity, and the Khazars are mentioned mainly 
as the representatives of a withstanding religion having passed 
to the True Faith due to a Miracle. The source is useless factually 
though nobody denies availability of Khazar communities in Byzantium 
and other countries, which might serve as staging posts in the Khazar 
spreading. In particular, Kiev was probably such a post.

Vladimir




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Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Gothic, Yiddish and High German


Hi,
If your theory is right there must have been an exodus of Jews from the 
Rhineland during the Crusades.
Is there any evidence?
On the other hand Khazar is documented a Jewish converted state. Also 
documented imported rabbis.

Tore

On Apr 30, 2005, at 2:14 AM, Debbie Williams wrote:

> Hmmmmmmm I've never heard of that connection. If you find out let me 
> know.
>
>  macmaster at riseup.net wrote:Hi all,
>  I am curious if anyone knows anything about the Yiddish language and 
> its
>  possible ties to Gothic.
>  While the conventional model of the origins of Yiddish has it being
>  brought to eastern and central Europe from the Rhineland roughly at 
> the
>  time of the Crusades and makes it a medieval Rhenish dialect, an
>  acquaintance of mine asserts that the Yiddish language has more in 
> common
>  (in grammar, morphology, vocabulary, etc) with the East Germanic 
> languages
>  of the early middle ages than with the German of the Rhine.
>  Not reading Hebrew and knowing less than "ein bissel Yiddishe", I 
> can't
>  judge his hypothesis.  Maybe someone knows more and can speak on this?
>
>  thanks,
>  Tom MacMaster
>
>
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