Uodalricus

[irilaz]

Thank you for your reply. It is good to know I was right 
with "Othalareiks", although till now I have not been sure about the 
connection with "Athalareiks" and the similar problem in A-S 
(Ehtelric - Aethelric). I supposed these are two distinct names 
(Othalareiks/Ethelric - Athalareiks/Aethelric), but I just did not 
know enough to be sure. Thanks again!

If I may just pose once more the question of possible Gothic variant 
of A-S Wodric - would that be Wódareiks or just Wóthreiks /or 
Wódreiks/? (Is there a change from "þ" to "d"? As far as "wóths" 
itself is concerned I have found both "wóths" and "wóds", so I am 
not sure about this one, nevertheless the genitive should be "wodis")

Thanks!
D.

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> > I am wondering about the possbile Gothic variant of the OHG name 
> > Uodalric (lat. Uodalricus).
> 
> 
> *Oþalareiks.
> 
> The similarity of OHG uod- to Go. wod- is only apparent.  It's 
quite 
> normal for Proto-Germanic [o:], long o, to develop into the 
> diphthong [uo] in OHG, which usually becomes [u:] in NHG, unless 
> mutated to [y:] by an [i] in the next syllable.  This etymology is 
> also made unlikely by the fact that OHG d normally corresponds to 
> Go. þ < PG þ, while OHG t matches Go. d < PG d (regardless of 
> whether the consonant is changed to þ at the end of a word in 
> Gothic).
> 
> In at least one variety of Gothic, there was a tendency to raise 
> [o:] to [u:], hence the (runic) letter name 'utal' found in the 
> Vienna-Salzburg Codex [ http://titus.fkidg1.uni-
> frankfurt.de/didact/idg/germ/runennam.htm ], matching OE 
> eþel "native land", etc.
> 
> I'm more convinced by the equasion of NHG Ulrich with OHG Uodalric 
> than the explanation as as form of Wolfrich, but I don't know the 
> full story about the history of these names in German.  In Old 
> Norse, *wulf/*wolf > ulf in a stressed syllable; this doesn't 
> normally happen in standard NHG, but I don't know whether it might 
> have any bearing here, for example due to borrowing of the name 
> between Germanic dialects, or later confusion between names that 
had 
> come to sound similar.
> 
> Neither is it the same as Athalaric (Go. *Aþalareiks), an attested 
> Gothic name, cognate with OE æþelric.  OE eþel has a long vowel in 
> the first syllable, the result of i-mutation of Proto-Germanic 
> [o:].  PG *ôþila- > OE êþel "native land".  Whereas OE æþele has a 
> short vowel in the first syllable, from PG [a].  PG *aþalijaz > OE 
> æþele "noble".  Although these are distinct words, I suppose they 
> might be connected by ablaut.  This is an old variation that goes 
> back to Proto-Indo-European.  A vowel would develop different 
forms 
> depending on where the word was stressed in PIE.  In the 6th class 
> of strong verbs, for example, you can see a variation between PG 
[a] 
> in the present and past participle, and PG [o:] in the preterite.  
> Another rule demands that PG þ appear after a syllable that was 
> stressed in PIE, and PG d after a syllable that was unstressed, 
but 
> this is often obscured by analogical levelling in the recorded 
> Germanic languages.
> 
> Lama Nom
> 
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "irilaz" <irilaz@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I am wondering about the possbile Gothic variant of the OHG name 
> > Uodalric (lat. Uodalricus). In the development of the German the 
> line 
> > goes something like Uodalric-Odalric-Ulric. In A-S we find 
> Ethelric 
> > and I am not sure about the name Aethelric (is it a variant or a 
> > different name altogether?) and there is also Ulric (although I 
> have 
> > been puzzled by the fact that some sources state that it may 
also 
> be 
> > a variant of Wulfric (?)).
> > 
> > Will a Gothic variant be Athalareiks (like English Aethelric) or 
> > rather a slightly different name... since the name is clearly 
> > connected with the Rune Othala (Odal - see (U)Odalric) something 
> > like "Othalareiks"?
> > 
> > And a rather amateurish question: could not "Uodalric" be 
> originally 
> > connected to "wod"? Or rather is a Germanic name "Wodalric" and 
> its 
> > later development thanks to its phonetic initial /uod (wod)/ 
> quality 
> > into Uodalric/Odalric (that would mean that the connection with 
> the 
> > Rune Othala /Odal/ and subsequent name explanations might be 
> > secondary, since its original meaning would be quite 
> obviously "Wod-
> > ric") possible according to linguistic rule? And how would in 
any 
> > case such a name (Wodric) look in Gothic?
> > 
> > Thanks for any info!
> > D.
> >
>








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