Thwe language of Goths (was Re: Gothic religion)

Fri Aug 4 09:59:26 UTC 2006

Thus you affirm that the Goths were not Germanic, but 
Thracian/Dacian/Getic.
Than, again the question raised by Michael Erwin.
The language of the Gothic Bible of Wulfila is obviously Germanic.
Or you want to demonstrate that it is Thraco-Daco-Getic?
If the Goths are Thraco-Daco-Getic and we admit the evidence, namely 
that the Gothic Bible is written in a Germanic language, then why 
would have written Wulfila a Bible in Germanic for a people speaking 
a Thraco-Daco-Getic language? I really don't understand your point.

Francisc

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "dciurchea" <dciurchea at ...> wrote:
>...
> The problem is to avoid false premises, such as forged data. 
> Substitution of German tribes for Gets IS such a false premise.
> On the topic: the Dacia/Denmark issue IS connected to dacians/gets.
> 1. It is quite clear that Denmark king Geata was a Get (of 
> thracian/scythian origin - see his name - and at least one of his 
> grand-sons :Finn, was called "The Trojan")
> 2. The swastika is a Getic royal monogram (royal symbol) as old as 
> 500BC - see http://www.snible.org/coins/hn/macedon.html. Basically 
> the original was a square diveded in 4, where some margins were 
> removed yielding the "swastika". 
>     - Also see the Macedonian archeological site at Lake Ohrid (V-
th 
> century basilica near St Clements monastery): 
> 
http://adventures.yahoo.com/b/adventures/20060710/rba_macedonia_0706/
> adventures7228; 
>     - The symbol appears in some UK drawings also on clothes; it is 
> normal use of coats of arms.
> 
> It seems it is a monogram not a mystical symbol, that's what. Not 
> connected to the Triskelion - too easy for a coat of arms; 
> interesting to find the thracian significance of the Thor's hammer. 
> Being a royal symbol it demonstrates its connection to Dacia and 
the 
> Gets. 
> 
> So: the name Dacia for Denmark is not random but precise.
> 
> Among Geata's ancestors I also see HWala which remainds me (very 
> strongly) of Vlaha here. That's how I connect the nordic realm of 
> the Danish kings and heroes to that of the pagan Dacians here and 
> the mega necropolis at Vlaha: starting with Walhalla and 
Walkiries : 
> the Dacian capital at Vlaha and some cult of ancestry. This may 
also 
> be connected with the Thracian use of burial mounds (tumuli); there 
> are in the North a few. No fiction.
> 
> Btw, I invite you to note the long life of toponimics in 
> Transylvania (whre Goths are suposed to have lived):
> 
> Today we have at least 4 villages Obreja(2 are Dacian archeological 
> sites) and many family names of Obreja. At the museum in Cluj
> (http://download.academic.ro/muzeu/lingou-1.jpg) I see a gold bar 
> bearing the inscription "Lus Fmus Obrisic"-i.e. "the illustruous 
and 
> famous Obrisic" in fair Romanian-i.e. Thracian; near it, a mark of 
> the Penates gods with label DDD and another mark  representing Zeus 
> in a standard helenistic stile with the label "SIL"-i.e. baSILeus.
> According to "Erdely Tortenete"(and its inconsistent 
interpretation) 
> the label DDD is from the 4-th century
> (http://mek.oszk.hu/03400/03407/html/30.html)-the Gothic chapter. 
> This is unreliable.  The label DDD is used by Macedonians to 
> designate the Penates and was assigned to Augustus on coins about 1 
> AD (see the coins link above).
> Digresion: Family names in Transylvania are formed starting with 
the 
> village of origin; suffix -ic is a diminutive; Obrisic means then, 
> from Obreja; 
> On another bar from the same Basileus  
> (http://download.academic.ro/muzeu/lingou-3.jpg) I can read one 
> mark ".....HODIGNA"(Romanian peace, rest) followed by a monogram as 
> a palm. According to the symbols used on coins, that palm (see the 
> coins link above) corresponds to the style of 149 BC coins. 
> These bars demonstrate the use of fair Romanian( Thracian?) by the 
> inhabitants of Transylvania. I don't believe it can be framed in 
the 
> Germanic languages.
> 
> So, the "Erdely Tortenete" and the Germanic hypothesis on Goths is 
> wrong about 4-5 hundred years in dating the antique finds in 
> Transylvania and incorrectly interpreting facts otherwise clear in 
> the frame of the helenistic culture. This is highly unreliable in 
> assigning linguistic aspects of the Thracians
> (Gets/Wallachians/Romanians) to some Germanic population also.
> 
> Dear Feri, in proposing borrowings to Romanian, please be cautious: 
> Romanian seems to be very old while Turkish has a thracian roots  
> also; you may better forget borrowings from Hungarian such as Tau, 
> Tautza ; Taetwa was a Danish king  :). Maybe you find something 
> Danish at least.
> 
> Sincerely,
> D. Ciurchea
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Michael is right. If Jordanes and others made the Gets to be 
Goths 
> (and 
> > Dacians to be Danes...), we should not fall into the other 
extreme 
> and 
> > make all the Goths to be Gets.
> > Myself too, being Romanian, was tempted by this. However, the 
> Goths 
> > were surely Germanic, as attested by their language and their 
> names, 
> > whereas everybody agrees (hopefully) that the Daco-Gets were 
> Thracians.
> > Otherwise, if we made the equation Gets=Goths and acknowledging 
> the 
> > Germanic character of the later, should we admit that the Daco-
> Gets 
> > where not Thracian, but Germanic?
> > 
> > Francisc
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Michael Erwin <merwin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > If Gothic is Getic (Dacian) then the codices Argenteus, 
> Carolinensis  
> > > A and Carolinensis B are what language?
> > >
> >
>

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