Boz = Bus < *Baus?

[Tore Gannholm]

Hi Vladimir,

You of course have Vasilievs book The Goths in the Crimea from 1936.  
I have some extracts on http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/beowulf_/ 
crimea/default.htm

in the foreword to the Guta lagh written down about 1220 it says. "So  
bygthus thair that firir. oc enn byggia oc enn hafa thair sumt af  
waru mali"

We have in Germanic-L extensively discussed the return of the Heruls  
to Sweden in the 6th century and there establishing the Vendel culture.

I have also published "The origin of Svear".

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/parla_/svear/default.htm

By the way middle of June I visited Vladimir and Suzdal in order to  
compare the 12th century churches with the Gotlandic churches of the  
same time.

Tore



On Jul 17, 2006, at 2:32 PM, ?????? ???????? wrote:

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> Hi, Tore!
>
> What sources do you mean? What are the particular evidences? It is  
> really very interesting.
>
> In connection with the 12th c., I can suggest the Russian princedom  
> Tmutarakan' (Greek Tamatarcha) on the eastern coast of Kerch strait  
> between the Black and Azov seas (Greek Bosporos Kymmericos). The  
> start date for that princedom is unknown. The commonly accepted  
> time point is 970 AD when the Russian prince (knyaz') Svyatoslav  
> (Sphendostlabos in Greek documents) totally destroyed the Khazar  
> kingdom (kaganate) and conquered almost all northern Caucasus. Last  
> notices about that princedom relate to the XIII c. In the middle  
> XII c., a very active and enterprising prince Oleg (with the  
> nickname Gorislavich) ruled in Tmutarakan'. With his residence in  
> Tmutarakan', he bereaved a half of Russian territory of Yaroslav  
> the Wise (the son and heir of Vladimir the Baptizer). Of course,  
> the official Russian history assumes all Russian rulers always  
> speaking Russian as a Slavic language, but the evidence of  
> Constantine VI (Porphyrogenete) allows us to assume them speaking  
> Germanic (see "De administratio imperio", chapter 9) though in the  
> middle X c., i.e. two centuries earlier.
>
> The question is very interesting for me. I developed recently a  
> hypothesis that (of course, in brief) Tamatarcha was occupied by  
> the Goths and Heruls in the early IV c. and became a "piratical  
> base" for their sensational raids against Pitius and then Greece  
> and Aegean islands. Later, having returned to southern Sweden, the  
> Black Sea (i.e. former Gothic) pirates provoked there the so-called  
> Vendel culture of the VI c. Fantastic? Maybe. But not quite  
> impossible.
>
> Vladimir
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com [mailto:gothic-l at yahoogroups.com]On  
> Behalf Of Tore Gannholm
> Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 5:25 PM
> To: gothic-l at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [gothic-l] Re: Boz = Bus < *Baus?
>
> Hi,
> This is very interesting. We know from Gotlandic sorces that the
> Gotlanders in the 12th century met people at the Black Sea speaking
> their language. Is there anything more written about it?
>
> Tore
>
> On Jul 15, 2006, at 1:43 PM, ualarauans wrote:
>
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroup <mailto:gothic-l%40yahoogroups.com>  
> s.com, Tore Gannholm <tore at ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > From which century is the source you refer to?
> > >
> > > Tore
> > >
> >
> > From the 11th, if I don't mistake
> >
> > Ualarauans
> >
> >
> >
>
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