Boz = Bus < *Baus?

[Tore Gannholm]

Hi,
You can find the full Guta lagh with the preface in my archieve on

http://www.stavgard.com/Gotland/parla_/lagh/default.htm

 From Bronze age and forward we find Gotlandic trading colonies on  
the eastern side of the Baltic. There is a long tradition that  
Gotlanders from time to time are settling on the other side of the sea.

Tore


On Jul 19, 2006, at 8:08 AM, ualarauans wrote:

> Hi, Tore
>
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Tore Gannholm <tore@> wrote:
> >
> > in the foreword to the Guta lagh written down about 1220 it
> says. "So
> > bygthus thair that firir. oc enn byggia oc enn hafa thair sumt af
> > waru mali"
> >
>
> I heard of that source and I always wondered what exactly it was
> referring to: the Old Swedish language of the Vaeringjar as
> documented in "Rhossic names" of the Dnieper falls by Constantine
> VII Porphyrogenitus or still the Crimean Gothic? As we may learn
> from the later record by Busbeqc, the Crimean Gothic was much
> different from the Scandinavian type of the 12th ct. shared by the
> Old Gutnish. The medieval Gotlanders traveling far could meet
> survivors of their kin in Southern lands (the Crimea, Balkans etc),
> but could they communicate with them using Old Gutnish or at least
> perceive (without a linguistic training) that the vernacular of
> these "who call themselves gutniskir menn too" was cognate to their
> own? Maybe there was a kind of oral tradition in East Scandinavia
> that parts of the people under bold leaders periodically settled out
> moving south across the sea in search of new lands – there were the
> Goths of Berig first (first?), then the Rus' of Rurik – some
> perishing underway, but some succeeding to survive and find their
> place... Within that view the name "Goths" could perhaps be applied
> to the migrants from Roslagen, and maybe Hroerekr had some
> Gotlanders among his rothsmenn??? The Guta lagh unequivocally points
> to an emigration, but maybe it's a confusion of two things – the
> settling out of the Goths (so fierri foru thair at thair quamu til
> griclanz...) and preserving of a language akin to Gutnish by the
> Vaeringjar of Hroerekr or by those at service in Constantinople
> (...oc enn byggia oc enn hafa thair sumt af waru mali)?
>
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at ...> wrote:
> [#8621. Date: Sun Jan 8, 2006 9:17am. Subject: Re: sumt af waru mali
> (correction 2, OGutn. bort = OIc. burt, brott)]
> >
> > Siþan af þissum þrim aucaþis fulc j gutlandi som mikit um langan
> tima
> > at land elptj þaim ai alla fyþa. Þa lutaþu þair bort af landi huert
> > þriþia þiauþ so at alt sculdu þair aiga oc miþ sir bort hafa som
> þair
> > vfan iorþar attu... so fierri foru þair at þair quamu til
> griclanz...
> > oc enn byggia oc enn hafa þair sumt af waru mali.
> >
> > * Framuh þan þaim þrim þiuda in Gutlanda lagga hveila aiauk swa
> filu,
> > ei ni mahta land ins allans fodjan. Hlautam þan fairra landa
> > gawalidedun hvanoh þridjan mannan, swaei allata aihan skuldun jah
> at
> > sis gahaban jah in wig niman, þatei ufar airþai aihtun... swa
> fairra
> > galiþun, ei at Krekalanda qemun... jah nauh bauand jah nauh hva
> haband
> > razdos unsaraizos.
> >
> > * Síðan af þessum þrim aukuðusk fólk í Gotlandi svá mikit um langan
> > tíma at land efldi þeim eigi alla fœða. Þá hlutuðu þeir burt af
> landi
> > hvern þriðja mann svá at allt skuldu þeir eiga ok með sér burt
> hafa,
> > sem þeir ofan jarðar áttu... svá fjarri fóru þeir at þeir kómu til
> > Grikklands... ok enn byggja ok enn hafa þeir sumt af váru máli.
> >
>
> Incidentally, where can I find the full text (Gutnish)?
>
> Ualarauans
>
> P.S. Btw is there any option to download all the archive messages
> without copying each page and turning it every time (I'm still not
> that far back)? I feel there must have been already answers sent to
> a lot of questions I'd like to ask.
>
>
> 



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