Using DNA to find Goths

[OSCAR HERRERA]

i thought you can only trace relatives with dna, but
not any racial groups of the past...but there should
be no problem finding descendants in spain and
italy...i know theres several groups there associated
with their gothic descendants and their history....in
madrid they have several statutes of different gothic
kings from their past....
--- ualarauans <ualarauans at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "sturlus"
> <sellingvaag at ...> wrote:
> >
> > We have started in the Migration period and I am
> particularly 
> interested
> > in finding traces from Goths in the living
> populations of today, at
> > least we'll try to find out if there is any or
> not. We'll be going 
> to
> > Sevastapol, travel along the coast to Mariupol and
> the to Rostov 
> on Don,
> > collecting DNA and searching in particular among
> the Greek cultural
> > organisations (for instance in Mariupol).
> > 
> 
> That's interesting! I can't say I heard nothing
> about this kind of 
> using DNA data to trace prehistoric migrations, but
> to trace my 
> beloved Goths in this way... oh Gaut! -:) And,
> incidentally, where 
> will (did?) you get the initial sample of a pure
> Gothic DNA to 
> compare, I wonder? Or maybe you don't need it, I
> simply have no idea 
> of what is needed for such a formidable work.
> 
> > 
> > I am in need of:
> > 
> >      * Tips on where to collect DNA!
> (Places/Histories)    * Local
> > contacts along our route:  universities, students,
> possible useful
> > assistants, politicians (local authorities),
> Genealogy 
> organisations,
> > Greek cultural organisations and any others whom
> could help us.    
> *
> > Anything else that might aid us!    * Other
> theories and peoples we
> > could / should look for in Russia/Ukraine aroung
> the Black Sea or 
> for
> > that matter other places in Europe/Central Asia,
> using DNA.
> > 
> > For example, Ualarauans post on Gothic burials in
> Upper Don
> >
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/message/8942>
>  is 
> interesting,
> > in Ksizovo, Lipetsk region. The possibilities of
> finding remnants 
> today
> > of Goths on Don might seem slim. However perhaps
> there exists some
> > communities along the Don, where descendants from
> Greeks or Goths 
> traces
> > can be found.
> > 
> 
> Yes, I too doubt that even a drop of the Gothic
> blood could be found 
> there now. I don't know to what extent the report I
> was referring to 
> is trustworthy (however, the Russian archaeology is
> unlikely to lie, 
> AFAIK, and there were some European archaeologists
> at work in 
> Ksizovo as well, Jana Glavova from the Czech
> Republic in 
> particular). Even given that some Gothic settlements
> existed there 
> since the Migration period (but then, why "Christian
> Goths", as it 
> was put in the report?), and their Slavicized
> descendants lived 
> there on surviving the Mongolian Conquest, all the
> wars, revolutions 
> that country had experienced and, finally, the
> rolling firewave of 
> the German front in WWII which came very closely to
> the Upper Don 
> region in 1941 causing a lot of people seek refuge
> and probably 
> never return... well, all I can do is to wish you
> good luck and to 
> hope for some positive results. BTW, sorry to
> mention these guys 
> here, but the nazis were searching for probable
> Gothic descendants 
> in South Russia until they proclaimed Don Cossacks
> to be somehow 
> related to the Ostrogoths. I think it was nothing
> more than a 
> propaganda trick.
> 
> > 
> > This year we will also search in Northern Spain
> for Visigoths and 
> in the
> > Atlas mountains of North Africa among the Berber
> tribes for 
> possible
> > Vandal populations. We will also take DNA from
> Scandinavians and 
> other
> > peoples living in the Baltic area. Next year we
> will expand our
> > expeditions, but I see now that the Black Sea area
> will be of 
> special
> > interest to us.
> > 
> > Thanks for any comment!
> > Also send me an email: sturlae at ...
> <mailto:sturlae at ...> , if
> > anything.
> > 
> > 
> > Sturla Ellingvåg
> > Oslo, Norway
> 
> May I hope you'll keep us informed of your results?
> 
> Ualarauans
> 
> 
> 
> 



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