Using DNA to find Goths

Wed Jul 26 01:57:43 UTC 2006

Dear Sturlus,
I observed that in your study the Alps/Apenin mountains branch 
(Italy) is not covered (at that time).There is a  study complementig 
your map which relates Romanians to Romans:
Reed, E., Ho, E., Lupu, F., McManus, P., Vasilescu, R., Foca-Rodi, 
A., Suciu-Foca, N. (1992) Polymorphism of HLA in the Romanian 
population. Tissue Antigens 39: 8-13
"  Reed E, Ho E, Lupu F, McManus P, Vasilescu R, Foca-Rodi A, Suciu-
Foca N.
Department of Pathology, College of Physicians and Surgeons, 
Columbia University, New York, New York.

We have investigated the HLA-class I and class II polymorphism in a 
population of 83 Romanians using conventional serology together with 
PCR amplification and oligonucleotide typing of HLA-class II genes. 
Romanians show a higher frequency of HLA-A11, B13, B18, B37, B39, 
B51 and DR2 than other European populations. HLA-DRB1*1501 and 1601 
account for the high frequency of the serologic specificity DR2. In 
Romanians, HLA-DR2 is in linkage disequilibrium with HLA-B18 and HLA-
Bw52 rather than with HLA-B7 as in the case in other Europeans. 
Unexpected HLA-DR2 haplotypes include HLA-DRB1*1502, DQA1*0102, 
DQB1*0601; HLA-DRB1*1602, DQA1*0102, DQB1*0502. Other unusual 
haplotypes include HLA-DRB1*0405, DQA1*03, DQB1*0302; HLA-DRB1*1305, 
DQA1*0103, DQB1*0603; and HLA-DRB1*1405, DQA1*0101, DQB1*05032. 
Analysis of the genetic distance between Romanians and other 
Europeans who have been studied serologically are consistent with 
the hypothesis that Roman  descend from Romanians  ancestors .  "

See also: http://www.uni-duesseldorf.de/WWW/MedFak/Serology/DNA-
Systeme/hla.html

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "dciurchea" <dciurchea at ...> wrote:
>
> May I suggest a huge gepid necropolis in Vlaha(more than 500 
tombs), 
> near Cluj-Napoca, in Romania;
> References:
> http://www.cimec.ro/Arheologie/cronicaCA2006/rapoarte/218.htm
> http://www.cimec.ro/scripts/arh/cronica/detaliu.asp?k=3551
> http://www.cimec.ro/scripts/arh/cronica/detaliu.asp?k=3268
> 
> This site is a complement to many archeological findings around:
> - the Roman castrum in Gilau 106AD (year of conquest of Dacia by 
> Trajan)-3 km away
> - An antique citadel (perhaps dacian) in Floresti-3 km away
> - the "Mihacs garden", where the "Erdely Tortenete"- the hungarian 
> history of Transylvania, speaks of 4 gepid skeletons - 1km away
> - the Gepid kingdoms in Someseni and Apahida-20 km away.
> 
> You may contact the National Institute for History of Transylvania 
> in Cluj-Napoca
> http://www.museum.utcluj.ro/departamente.php?dpt=Sectia%20Pre%20si%
> 20Protoistorie
> 
> 
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "sturlus" <sellingvaag@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Hi,
> > this is my first post here, but I've been following this forum 
for 
> quite
> > some time now.
> > 
> > I have started Explico (www.explicofund.org 
> <http://www.explicofund.org>
> > , funded by Norwegian investors) which is a foundation using DNA 
to
> > trace Human migrations, similar to National Geographics The 
> Genographic
> > Project <https://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/>  and 
to 
> the
> > Bradshaw foundations Journey of Mankind
> > <http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/journey/> .
> > 
> > We have started in the Migration period and I am particularly 
> interested
> > in finding traces from Goths in the living populations of today, 
at
> > least we'll try to find out if there is any or not. We'll be 
going 
> to
> > Sevastapol, travel along the coast to Mariupol and the to Rostov 
> on Don,
> > collecting DNA and searching in particular among the Greek 
cultural
> > organisations (for instance in Mariupol).
> > 
> > I am in need of:
> > 
> >     * Tips on where to collect DNA! (Places/Histories)    * Local
> > contacts along our route:  universities, students, possible 
useful
> > assistants, politicians (local authorities), Genealogy 
> organisations,
> > Greek cultural organisations and any others whom could help 
us.    
> *
> > Anything else that might aid us!    * Other theories and peoples 
we
> > could / should look for in Russia/Ukraine aroung the Black Sea 
or 
> for
> > that matter other places in Europe/Central Asia, using DNA.
> > 
> > 
> > For example, Ualarauans post on Gothic burials in Upper Don
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gothic-l/message/8942>  is 
> interesting,
> > in Ksizovo, Lipetsk region. The possibilities of finding 
remnants 
> today
> > of Goths on Don might seem slim. However perhaps there exists 
some
> > communities along the Don, where descendants from Greeks or 
Goths 
> traces
> > can be found.
> > 
> > This year we will also search in Northern Spain for Visigoths 
and 
> in the
> > Atlas mountains of North Africa among the Berber tribes for 
> possible
> > Vandal populations. We will also take DNA from Scandinavians and 
> other
> > peoples living in the Baltic area. Next year we will expand our
> > expeditions, but I see now that the Black Sea area will be of 
> special
> > interest to us.
> > 
> > Thanks for any comment!
> > Also send me an email: sturlae@ <mailto:sturlae@> , if
> > anything.
> > 
> > 
> > Sturla Ellingvåg
> > Oslo, Norway
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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