Pietroasa (etymology +)

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Hello ualarauans,
I hope I can be of some help. The holly mountain of the gets 
(dacians) was Kogaion; it fits the location of Cogeanus river 
(Caucoensi tribe) and today toponimics and names: Kogalniceni, 
Kogalniceanu. Today's name of the peak would be Ceahlau. 
(http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/macedonia_1849.jpg) 


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> wrote:
>
> Hailai jut Fragkisk jah Andraiu!!
> 
> Could it happen that we face here another example of what I heard 
is 
> called "automatic conversion" (Uriel Weinreich's term), similar to 
> what is supposed to be the case with the name of the city of 
> Nouiodunum (prob., = today's Isakca, the right bank of the 
Danube), 
> mentioned by Jordanes in Get. 35 as [a ciuitate] nouietunense. 
> Nouiodunum, being a very widespread name, Celtic in origin 
(Gaulish 
> *Novio-du:non "new town" > French Nevers (dep. Nievre), Nouan-le-
> Fuzelier (dep. Loir-et-Cher), and there were many more), so this 
> another Celtic *Novio-dunon could be recognized by the Goths as 
> consisting of the words which were Gothic niuja- "new" and *tu:n 
N. -
> a "fence" or "fenced place", the latter being a Celtic loanword 
into 
> Common Germanic (*du:non > *tu:nan with a consonant shift d > t). 
> The original form in (pre-?)Jordanes could be *ciuitas 
neuiotunense 
> (cf. Neuiodunum in Upper Pannonia), later "hypercorrected", which 
> could have sprung from probable Gothic *Niujatun (< Ne/ouiodunum) 
as 
> the actual name of the city in the Gothic language (kept in a 
> legend, maybe).
> 
> Now, the Goths of Athanareiks come to Transdanuvia (soon to become 
> Gutthiuda of the Calender) and meet Cauco(c)ensii. This Dacian (?) 
> name might contain the same IE root *kouko- "high", "mountain" as 
> does Go. hauhs (has the ethnonym's etymology been clarified by 
> specialists in some way?). It could mean "mountaineers" maybe. And 
> the Goths feel it (or are said about it) and call them *Hauha-
> warjos "those living in high places", for example, and the country 
> they call Hauhaland, the names being both phonetic and semantic 
> imitations of the native name. Maybe there had been a stage of Go. 
> *Kaukaland? What do you think?
> 
> Ualarauans
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "Francisc Czobor" <fericzobor@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Caucaland was not in the plain at Pietroasa, but in the Montes 
> > Serorum: there took place the battle with the Huns. At Pietroasa 
> > probably the Visigoths hid their treasure before hastily 
> retreating 
> > to Caucaland.
> > 
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, Andrei Stirbu <andrei_stirbu@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > The placement of Caucocensii on contemporary historical maps 
is 
> > aproximative. I see no reason for Goths to name the region 
> highland 
> > as long the region of Pietroasa is at the limit of the plain and 
> > small hills, rather in the plain: 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=p.a6e.jpg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?
> img=Buzau_map.700.jpg
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > So, in my opinion, is very plausible that Goths used the 
Dacian 
> > name of the Cauca  region.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Andrei
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>








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