Pietroasa and other toponyms (etymology +)

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Hi everybody,
In today Romanian, Kogaion is not used anymore, but Ceahlau; 
moreover the name of the mountains, the Carpatians are approaching 
the IE root-"_kaufa" (those mountains go through the German 
territory - Austria and Germany whatsoever); perhaps there is a 
connection however through the IE substrate.


--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> wrote:
>
> Hails, Daweid!
> 
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, David Kiltz <derdron@> wrote:
> >
> > On 29.07.2006, at 12:50, ualarauans wrote:
> > 
> > > < IE *kouko- > PG. *xauxa- > Go. hauh-s, [...] the Alans, their
> > > [the Goths]
> > > loyal allies [...], keeping
> > > till nowadays (in Ossetic) the word `xox', i.e. [kho:kh],
> > > for "mountain"...
> > 
> > Hi Ualarauns,
> > 
> > you seem to suggest here, that Ossetic _xox_ be a loan from 
> Germanic,
> > or Gothic more specifically.
> > It seems, however, dangerous to pick out this word from Ossetic 
and
> > disregard its immediate relatives, the other Iranian languages. 
> There
> > we find, inter alia, OldPersian _kaufa-_ 'mountain'
> > Avestan _kaofa_ 'ridge, bump', MiddlePersian _kôf_ NPersian 
> _kôh_.
> > Cf. also Khotan-Sakian _kuvaa-_ (< *kaufaka-) 'mountain, hill, 
> heap'.
> > While I'm no expert in Ossetian, I'd rather connect the Ossetian 
> word
> > with its Iranian neighbours. We find related forms in other IE
> > languages, too. Also with -p (Lith. _kaupas_ 'heap') and with *-b
> > (Engl. _heap_, German _Haufe(n)). Interestingly, there are also
> > tribal names connected with the term, cf. OldPersian 
> _Âkaufačiya_.
> > MPers. _Kôfêč_. While (possibly) people from heights 
> and 'mountain-
> > dwellers' are rather similar, the roots aren't identical, I 
think.
> 
> Yes, sorry for having uttered my suggestion so inarticulately. I 
see 
> it was this Anlaut kh- which misled me to a conclusion that the 
word 
> could have experienced the Germanic consonant shift. Thank you 
very 
> much for your correction. I'm no expert in Ossetian too 
> (but wait -:)), and the dictionary I found offers no etymologies, 
> but I confess that the first thing I did was looking through it in 
> search for probable Gothic loanwords. I did find some interesting 
> words, e.g. _arm_ "arm", "hand" (cf. Go. arms), but these may 
happen 
> to be parallel IE forms, or just coincidental homophones, as it is 
> probably the case of Oss. _zaeghyn_ (-gh- is spirant, like Low 
> German g; -y- smth like schwa) "to say", past tense _zaghta_ - to 
> compare with Dutch _zeggen_, past tense _zegde_. I felt the 
> creeps... But, recalling that there was no voiced [z] in Anlaut of 
> this word in Gothic (*sagjan or *sagon), there was no i-Umlaut etc 
> etc, but there IS probably a secure Iranian etymology instead, 
> my "discovery" was terribly frustrated. I'll be more careful in 
the 
> future :)
> 
> Ualarauans
>










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