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[Michal Cigan]

  Hallo to You,
  Ingemar,
  first, thanx a lot for Your answer.
  It's quite interesting...
  
  So, You mean  - if I understud it correct - that there is no lineal connection between
  "gothic homeland" - at least I heard so but im not a specialist on this topic - in southern scandinavia and Vistula Goths? And  if there is a connection, than of what kind? 
  
  What exactly do You mean by term "teophoric" - Gaut is some kind of mythical ancestor?
  
  Michal

Ingemar Nordgren <ingemar at nordgren.se> wrote:        --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "michalcigan" <michalcigan at ...> wrote:
  
  > 2/And secon one, from wikipedia I have an information, that old
  > english Geates/jeates/- in Beowulf located in Scandinavia - are Goths
  > /it should be a reminiscence on their original homeland befor "the
  > exodus" southward from south scandinavia/.
  > Can I Belive this idea?
  
  
  Hi Michalcigan,
  
  It depends on what sense you give the name Goths. If you regard the
  Vistula Goths as a single tribe/people with no connection to
  neighbouring peoples/tribes the answer is no. If however you regard
  all peoples/tribes claiming ancestry from Gaut as Gothic peoples the
  answer must be yes. I have stated in my doctoral dissertation that the
  name is teophoric regardless if you use the local names of
  Gudones/Gotones, Goutai,Gutar, Gauter, Geatas, Gotnar or
  Jutar/Ýtar/Ýtas/Eudozes since they all have the meaning 'the
  outpoured, men'.Geatas could be either Gauter or Jutar. The Gothic
  ethnicity is in my view primarily  religious and not nessecarily
  linguistic even if the Gothic language later is identified with the
  Continental Goths. It is still not known when Gothic/Eastgermanic
  became an own branch but in any case that must have happened before
  the Scandinavian dialects started to develope. Some claim a
  relationship between Eastgermanic and Northgermanic, other mean
  Northgermanic is part of Northwestgermanic and not related to
  Eastgermanic. In any case religion presumably is older than the
  different later languages. I know this is  a wasps nest on this list
  and I do not intend to involve myself into a linguistic discussion
  that can go on for ever and for which I lack competence. I stick to
  religion as a safer card. I have elaborated on these things in my
  book, The Well Spring of the Goths, that is available at Amazon and
  other netshops, and it is quite nessecary to read that book to really
  understand what I say and why. (The English is, I am sorry to say, of
  neither  fluent  US or GB standard but rather mixed since I translated
  it myself, but in any case understandable).
  
  Best
  Ingemar
  
  
  
  
          

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