More Toponymics

[Fredrik]

>   - Well, sometimes it does. For instance, Latin is dead, but 
its "children" live on.

Well...yes, but it depends on how to define it.
You can say that latin neverbecame extinct but as all languages it 
changed during time and became "modern latin" but in several forms.
If we should say that latin is dead, we mean latin spoken 2000 years 
ago but than we must say that english spoken 500 years ago and 400 
years and 50 years ago are dead as well.
As I tried to say before, old english never died but changed into 
modern, eventhough in one way it could be called dead coz it aint 
spoken.

PG is dead, but we have a handful of modern Germanic languages. If 
you mean the absence of direct descendants, then Gothic really seems 
to have died "childless" (unless we regard Gotlandic as its 
successor, in some way).

The same about this as about latin.

When does a language become dead and when does it have a "child"???
Gothic as we use it might have had a child known as crimean gothic.
And according to my definition of dead languages crimean gothic is 
dead, and with that also gothic.

   
> 
>   - *Igkaland seems to me to be closer to the pattern of Gothic 
toponyms (and Old Germanic at large): ethnonym + toponymic ending (-
land by default). The people are then *Igkans (though I don't know to 
what extend the today's Peruvians may be called Incas?) and the 
adjective *igkisks. The once-being Incan Empire could be then 
*Igkareiki.

Igkareiki is good in that meaning. And igkans and igkisks are also 
good, but I would perhaps use these words for the people of Igkareiki 
and not Peru.


> *Pairu is no bad, but we have to get it somehow conform with the 
Gothic morphology. Is it a neutral u-stem? Maybe, nevertheless, 
*Pairuland? (just a madman for this -land, you see :)

It could be a problem to fit in toponymics in gothic grammar. But 
Pairu could be, as you say, neuter u-stem. Or perhaps end it in -
land, which would make it more easy to use.

I don't know exactly what an adjective would be, maybe 
pairuisks/pairulandisks, and not what we could call a person of Peru.

The language of the incas would maybe be igkarazda and the modern 
language based on a word for quechua.
   
    
>   - Särkland I guess has something to do with Saracens?

It might be so or/and from old swedish saerker = shirt.
The people there were wearing cloths which the vikings might have 
called saerker.

  
>   - But, if it never became extinct, it would never be so today 
like we're trying to reconstruct it (i.e. following the grammar of 
the 4th century). My idea was that if we write a Gothic language with 
all its inflexions, cases etc, the country names shouldn't look so 
quite alien, and besides, they need to find their place in the 
grammar, that is to get a gender, declension and the rest. > 

I cannot do anything but agree.

Before you wrote about Macedonia and said that there's an attested 
name Makidonja. I guess that F.Y.R.O.M isn't used in colloquial 
speech but mostly only Macedonia. And a gothic name could be a 
translation of F.Y.R.O.M but we can use just Makidonja colloquial.

About France, you said "Why *Fragkareiki and not *Fragkja or even 
*Frantsja (< France)."
If we use the romance name Francia as base gothic would have Fragkja.
Latin uncia is ugkja in gothic.
But coz gothic is a germanic language I think it would be better to 
use a name which is more similar to the other germanic lanuages.
German: Frankreich, Dutch: Frankrijk, Swedish: Frankrike.
So Fragkareiki would be the best choice I think.


Some ideas of F.Y.R.O.M:

Former: faurthis
Yugoslav: sunthrawinithisks/jugauslabisks/sunthraslabisks
Republic: thiudawaihts
Macedonia: Makidonja


/Fredrik









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