Tyringi and Tervingi

[Егоров Владимир]

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Hi Dirk!

I can add to Tyrna and Trnava also Veliko Tyrnovo in Bulgaria. The last item is interesting from two points of view.

First, the vowel _y_ has nothing common with _e_. Originally it was either a hard counterpart of _i_ or its specific Slavic short version.

Second, the attribute "velik-" appears often as a Slavic comprehension of an original "Welh" meaning "Celtic". In conjunction with the fact that both Tyrna and Trnava are disposed on the territory of historical Bohemia, I'd search the origins of the toponyms in question in the Celtic language.

Unfortunately, in any case they have apparently nothing to do with both thyringi and tervini.

 

Best,

Vadimir

 

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I am still researching the Tyringi - Tervingi problem a bit. The name
derivation is still problematic. However, I found that the town of
Tyrna (Slovakia), which is called Tyrnau in German was called Ternava
in medieval sources. In this case Tyr- and Ter- would be equivalent,
which leaves the problem of -ingi and -vingi. Yet, I also found that
the Tyring gau (near Helmstedt), which does include the name Thuringia
was also called Derwingo in early medieval sources. The Anlaut D- is
low German (Saxon) for T(h)- so the name would have been Terwingo. If
Terwing-o was possible for Tyring-o and if Tyr- and Ter- are also
exchangeable than Tyring should be derivable from Terving.

Cheers,

Dirk

PS Some may ask why this is important. I think if it can be shown that 
the name Tueringi is derived from Teruingi, this would suggest that 
one group of Goths (possibly remnants of the Athanaric Terwingi) 
succeeded in founding a kingdom outside the Roman empire after 375AD.



 



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