Visigothic identity of Spain
OSCAR HERRERA
duke.co at SBCGLOBAL.NET
Wed Oct 18 14:40:03 UTC 2006
some and perhaps some of your findings are true, however ive done some research while in spain and most of the visigoths withdrew to the north and formulated their defenses there and thus after started their wars against the moors.....when and how the hispanic peoples got involved in the christian- moorish wars seems to have occurred later like in the 12th century.
faltin2001 <d.faltin at hispeed.ch> wrote: --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, PatrMcGin at ... wrote:
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> The family tradition is probably correct.
Hi Patrick,
no it isn't, apprently. The point was that the family tradition was
made up to create a false ancestry in order to connect the Guzmans
to the Catholic Visigoths. The name Guzman is apparently moorish
and 'surpressed' family documents confirm their moorish origins.
Several years ago I did fair amount
> of research on the whole topic of the Visigoths in Spain and the
Muslim
> conquest. Most of the Visigoth nobles had to convert to Islam to
keep their lands
> after the Conquest. The Visigoths were largely Arians any way and
Islam was
> more consistent with Arianism than Catholicism with its idea of
the Trinity.
By the early 8th century all of the Visigothic nobles would have
been Catholics, even if some covert Arianism may still have lingered
on in some isolated regions. The only official creed was
Catholicism, whereas Arianism had been abolished some 150 years
before the arrivial of the Muslims.
By 711 the Visigoths were already well integrated in the Hispanic
majority population. Already since about 650AD documents only refer
to Hispanic and not to Visigothic. With the Muslim conquest their
fate, and especially that of the elites would have been threefold:
some will have perished in the conquest, some will have fled to the
north and others (probably most) integrated, intermarried and
converted with islamic culture.
Cheers,
Dirk
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> Patrick McGinnis
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