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[faltin2001]

--- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, OSCAR HERRERA <duke.co at ...> wrote:
>
> i can only say with dispute in the case with faltin ......


Hi Oscar,

you have permission to call me Dirk or Mr Faltin or Dr Faltin ... but 
just faltin is a bit rude. I also don't address you as herrera.




think about all the gothic chieftains thru the centuries in being 
their names as germanic-gothic......it sounds odd that  all these 
gothic kings thru time have gothic names but their speaking another 
language.......oscar



Not at all. Names and naming is highly conservative. French kings 
used Germanic names for many centuries without speaking and 
Germanic/Frankish language.

Believe me Oscar, it is a well established fact that the Visigoths in 
Spain did not speak Gothic. Also, the Visigoths in Spain never speak 
of chieftains, they had reges, duces and comes ( Latin words).

Cheers,
Dirk










> 
> Michael Erwin <merwin at ...> wrote:          We might compare, as 
best we can, reconstructed linguistic frontiers 
> from c. 300 with those from c. 800. The West Germanic languages did 
> expand, Anglo-Frisian largely replacing Latin and Welsh in the 
> British Lowlands, and Dutch-German expanding into the Low 
Countries, 
> Rhineland, Switzerland, and the upper Danube to the Alps. The East 
> Germanic languages seem to disappear outside the Crimea and 
possibly 
> other enclaves as the Slavic languages spread... Arabic also 
spreads.
> 
> Gothic never had the religious importance of Latin or Arabic. If it 
> was not the majority language in Gutþiuda, it was the most 
important 
> (and the various histories nowhere suggest local language/trade 
> language/prestige language divisions), was adopted for that reason, 
> and was supplemented by Greek and Latin for the same reason as 
early 
> as Wulfila's own exile.
> 
> The size and demographics of the exile groups remain largely 
unknown. 
> Refugee populations tend to have slightly higher proportions of 
women 
> and children than most populations, and the same may have applied 
to 
> the refugees of 376. I think there were multiple mass migrations 
into 
> the Balkans, starting with 376, and smaller migrations, starting in 
> 348, which could have changed the linguistic landscape in the 
Balkans 
> just as other migrations changed the linguistic landscape in 
England. 
> (Even if the total migration only amounts to 10-30% of the regional 
> population). However, Slavic-speakers repeated the process in the 
> same parts of the Balkans. I think there were much smaller, and 
more 
> characteristically military, campaigns into Italy, Gaul, and Spain.
> 
> The name Totila, as has been noted elsewhere, is not old Gothic. It 
> involves an additional sound-shift. This suggests living, primarily 
> spoken, language, as well as contact with West-Germanic dialects.
> 
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> 
> 
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