Use of Gothic language in Spain

[OSCAR HERRERA]

assimilated and extermination are foolhardy words..........oscar

ualarauans <ualarauans at yahoo.com> wrote:          --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "llama_nom" <600cell at ...> wrote:
>
> 
> Perhaps 'creole' would be a more precise term for this hypothetical
> language. A 'pidgin', by definition, has no native speakers; it's 
a
> simplified language used to ease communication between speakers of
> mutually incomprehensible languages. A 'creole' is what a 'pidgin'
> becomes if and when children grow up speaking it as their first 
language.
> 
> LN

Yes, but still are there any material evidence that this creole 
language did once exist? As far as I can see the classical opinion 
is (was?) that members of the Gothic tribal armies spoke a 
colloquial form of the same language whose cultivated literary and 
probably a bit archaizing form we find in the Bible translation. In 
fact we have no evidence for this colloquial form either, but we can 
conclude about it based on common laws of language development. Now 
Dirk says it was a pidgin. No evidence is cited meanwhile. I'm ready 
to believe it if I see some proof. For example a grave inscription 
made by a Goth using this language or something alike. "Hic ligit 
Guallia theudanus Gothorum. Thrasamirus dructio fecit". Until then 
the pidgin theory is only a hypothesis which replaces another (much 
more probable) hypothesis that the Goths spoke Gothic before they 
switched to Vulgar Latin and were assimilated in Spain. In Italy 
they were not assimilated. They were exterminated.

Ualarauans

> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "ualarauans" <ualarauans at ...> 
wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "faltin2001" <d.faltin@> wrote:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > > Both were
> > > Christian, both included many ethnic Germans, but also many 
non-
> > > Germanic people; both were Christians, both moved around with 
their
> > > wives and children both were similarly dressed and equipped and
> > > importantly both spoke a Latin-Germanic military pidgin that 
was
> > > mutually comprehensible.
> >
> > Could you please cite some examples of the notorious "Latin-
Germanic
> > military pidgin" you're referring to? Are any traces of this
> > mysterious pidgin really attested and accessible for expert 
study or
> > at least for serving as an argument in discussion?
> >
> > Ualarauans
> >



         


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