Hundreds of visigothic slate stones (whiteboards) in Western Castilla (Spain).

[Miguel Costa]

Hi, ertydfh. I'm glad you found it as fascinating as I did :-) On the
"Germanic" toponymy of Galicia, I just want to clarify that it is more a
Romance toponymy using (a very large number of) Germanic personal names and
words, although you can find bizarre cases, like place names formed as
Germanic genitives of a Latin name. Anyway, whilst anywhere in the NW of
the Iberian peninsula you can find the local evolutions of true and pure
Celtic place names, its not that easy to know if a place name like, just to
put it, *Gasalla *< proto-Germanic *ga-sal- 'with-house-', is directly
Germanic or if it was generated inside a Romance language (in this case,
Galician language) from a Germanic loanword. The second option is usually
more probable, although both of them are plausible.

Cheers,
Cossue.


2011/10/23 ertydfh110 <ertydfh110 at yahoo.com>

> **
>
>
> Hi O.cossue,
>
> Simply spectacular the link you gave. I´ve read everything and it was
> fascinating. Whenever you have more interesting links like this please let
> me know.
>
> I´ve read about Galicia etymology and it is incredible the quantity of
> germanic places names there. I´ve read somewhere in www.celtiberia.netthat is one of the places with higher amount of germanic places names in
> Europe (without considering direct germanic countries). It is well-known
> the celtic connection of Galicia and Asturias but I think the germanic one
> is even greater.
>
> I didn´t know about Franco use of the Goths. I just knew about how he made
> the children to learn the Visigothic Kings List. But nothing else.
>
> In any case it is ridiculous how the germanic influence in Spain is not
> promoted and studied more. It is even ridiculous how scholars named the
> visigothic art just as "arte mozarabe". I´ve found many people thinking
> that mozarabe was just arabic.
>
> There are many complexes about the history of Spain.
>
> So if you have more interesting links about it, please share them.
>
> Cheers!.
>
>
> --- In gothic-l at yahoogroups.com, "o_cossue" <o.cossue at ...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi, friend. No, I'm no scholar, but a learned reader and a hobbyist. My
> main interest are the Suevi (after all, I'm Galician), and the
> Romance-Germanic toponymy in Galicia (mostly personal names expressed as
> genitives, at places such as Mondariz, Guitiriz, Gondomar < Gundemarii,
> Vila Santar, Allariz, Forcarei < Fulkaredi, Gomesende, Baltar, Sandiás <
> Sindilanis and the like). Of course, the Germanic, Suevi, and most notably
> Visigothic, patrimony is probably underrated, if compared with other
> contribution to Iberia's cultures. Francoism, and in general nationalism,
> is probably guilty on this, for having used and abused the Goths and the
> Suevi for their ideology.
> >
> > On researchers going into new evidences... Well, I really appreciate the
> works by Aragonese scholar Javier Arce (briefly, ISBN 84-206-2347-4, ISBN
> 9788496467576, and the brand new "Esperando a los árabes. Los visigodos en
> Hispania", which I haven't had the opportunity to read, yet). He has been
> extracting all the juice of letters, fragments, and snippets not previously
> really taken into consideration... Is not that you must agree with
> everything he deduces (he sometimes make silly mistakes in marginal
> assertions) but he is really chopping the material into new views. Anyway,
> the subjects of his research are not the Goths, per se, but their era.
> >
> > On the names of the bishops, in the Suevic kingdom of Galicia 5 of 12
> Catholic bishops were Suevi in 570, 6 Roman (one a Pannonian) and 1 Briton.
> The Visigothic kingdom shows the same tendency after the conversion under
> king Reccared; according to Thompson (The Goths in Spain, XII.2), the
> percentile of Germanic/Total bishops assisting to the councils of Toledo
> were:
> > Tarraconense 30,25%
> > Cartaginense 30,75%
> > Lusitania 43,75%
> > Betica 27,25%
> > Galicia 41%
> > Galia 28,5%
> >
> > Last but not least, a link to an academic work you may find REALLY
> interesting, on Visigothic necropolis in Castille. It's a little old, but
> fascinating: http://tdx.cat/handle/10803/2607
> >
> > Cheers,
> > O'Cossue.
>
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>


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