[gothic-l] Jiddish

[Dicentis a roellingua@gmail.com [gothic-l]]

Hello Torre,

Can you please cite a few Yiddish words and phrases and give comparisons
with Turkic and Slavic languages to prove your claim? Can you also give me
a list of Yiddish basic vocabulary compared to Turkic basic vocabulary so
that they can be compared? I know the Turkish language, which is very
similar to Proto-Turkic, so I won't have problems comparing them.

Thanks in regard Torre,

Roel

2015-02-14 19:17 GMT+01:00 Tore Gannholm tore at gannholm.org [gothic-l] <
gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:

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> Yiddish is a mix of a Germanic language Turkish och Slavic languages.
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> These three components were available in Khazaria  and when you mix then
> you obtain Yiddish. There is no question that yiddish originated in the
> Khazar empire
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> When the Khazar empire fell end 900s the Jewish Khazars spread over later
> Russia all the way to Lituania and Poland
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> Tore
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> On 14 Feb 2015, at 16:27, roellingua at gmail.com [gothic-l] <
> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> I understand where the confusion of Tore comes from. Tore is right about
> the fact that there were indeed Khazars which were jewish, but this was a
> big minority. There is a very well series at YouTube in which Dr. Abramson
> explains jewish history and he also covers the Khazar theory (for anyone
> interested, take a look here: The Jewish Kingdom of Khazaria (Essential
> Lectures in Jewish History) Dr. Henry Abramson
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b4Vn_-jYWA>
> [image: image] <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b4Vn_-jYWA>
> The Jewish Kingdom of Khazaria (Essential Lecture...
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b4Vn_-jYWA>
> This video briefly discusses the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism in
> the 8th century, and is part of HIS 155: History of the Jewish People I by
> Dr. H...
> View on www.youtube.com <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b4Vn_-jYWA>
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> ). In fact, when the Khazar kingdom was threatened by christianity in the
> west and islam in the south, they had to make a decision and they thought
> that they were safe by choosing judaism, as it was an abrahamic religion
> and they wouldn't be attacked by christians for being muslim or by muslims
> for being christians. So, that is why the Khazar kingdom gets associated
> with judaism. In fact, only among the elite there were real jews and
> Hebrew-speaking people (and people converted to the jewish religion), there
> isn't real evidence that the general population were really jewish like
> people are jewish nowadays or spoke Hebrew, most likely, they continued
> speaking their Turkic language and although it might be possible that some
> jewish rituals were practiced by the population, they stayed Turkic.
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> There are theories that the Khazars, when their kingdom was destroyed,
> went to the west, but the problems with the theory that Yiddish is in fact
> Turkic due to the Khazar influence is that the language is too Germanic to
> be Turkic and it should have at least some Turkic elements, also, like can
> be seen with Anglo-Saxon and modern English maintaining a Germanic core
> vocabulary, it is essential that a Turkic core is maintained in order to
> prove that Yiddish is in it's origin a Turkic language, the problem is that
> even if this was the case, that wouldn't prove them to be Khazars, they
> could also have been from another Turkic tribe, from, if those already
> existed back then, Kyrgyz people or Turkmens for example. Secondly, there
> have to be words of Turkic origin but those can't really be found. As for
> the Goths, there are indeed a few words in Yiddish which were possibly
> (maybe by trade with Visigoths in western Europe?) taken over, there is a
> blog about a possible connection between Yiddish and Gothic and although
> it's surprising how similar skohsl in Gothic and skotsl in Yiddish are, it
> is possible that the word was loaned from Gothic to Slavic to Yiddish too,
> instead of a direct borrowing.
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> Anyway, only the elite of the Khazars were really jewish and it's amazing
> how there is a letter, which you can see in the video, from the Khazar
> kingdom which is written in Hebrew, but the general population wouldn't
> have been able to understand that letter.
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> I recommend Torre, if he knows Germanic languages well and to take a look
> at Yiddish, when he has found a core vocabulary of Turkic or a lot of
> Gothic words, he can come here again to talk, but if he hasn't found that,
> I recommend him to look at the facts and of course, speculation can always
> turn out to be true in the end, but please, don't claim that speculations
> are either nonsense or the absolute truth, always keep speculation in your
> mind as possibilities.
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> Roel
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