[gothic-l] Translating creeds?

[Dicentis a roellingua@gmail.com [gothic-l]]

Hi Edmund,

Due to your reply, I started to read in this book at Google Books which
makes clear to me why the "stress of the most important thing" is sometimes
used for ancient Germanic languages.
https://books.google.nl/books?id=TSSVGiHRBQcC&pg=PA105&lpg=PA105&dq=old+high+german+word+order&source=bl&ots=DzNPPVHrkY&sig=5Q6JOIAwYout7TMnyBXhW5tOPAQ&hl=nl&sa=X&ei=OMalVIHDB6uy7Qa_zIHoDg&ved=0CGcQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=old%20high%20german%20word%20order&f=false


2015-01-01 23:06 GMT+01:00 edmundfairfax at yahoo.ca [gothic-l] <
gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:

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> Dear Roel,
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> The ancient view towards translating holy texts was that the translation
> ought to be as close to the original as possible, hence the mainly
> word-for-word translation following the original word-order that is typical
> of not only the Gothic BIble but also the Vulgate and Old Church Slavonic
> counterparts, amongst others. This topic has been studied, but
> unfortunately, I do not have anything handy here to give in the way of
> recommended reading, should you wish to investigate this further.
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> This slavish approach does not mean, however, that the resulting text is
> necessarily unidiomatic. It should be borne in mind that Gothic stems
> ultimately from the same linguistic source as Greek, to wit,
> Proto-Indo-European, and that many syntactic features were likely still
> shared, which made it possible to translate word-for-word and apparently
> not end up with merely glosses rather than a translation. Indeed, many of
> the patterns of Gothic word-order, which follow slavishly the Greek, can
> also be found in the other early Germanic languages, in texts that are not
> translations of anything. This suggests that there were considerably fewer
> constraints on ordering elements in these earlier languages. Determining
> what nuances were created by varying the order of elements is a far more
> difficult task, and there is presently no scholarly consensus concerning
> word-order in Gothic or even Old English (which is so much better known and
> understood).
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> My recommendation is that anyone wishing to write in Gothic (and not
> merely translate religious texts) should imitate the word-order of its
> sister languages, namely, Old English, Old Saxon, Old High German, and Old
> Norse.
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> Edmund
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> ---In Gothic-L at yahoogroups.com, <roellingua at ...> wrote :
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> Edmund, do you recommend to follow the original word order only for holy
> texts? I translate (also to practice my Gothic) a lot of song texts into
> Gothic, but those aren't holy texts at all. I don't feel that it's really
> necessary to keep the original word order there and I prefer a free word
> order there. There are some religious song texts however too, I think those
> are the only necessary ones to keep a word-for-word word order in.
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> 2015-01-01 22:05 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <roellingua at ...>:
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> I found your text at this website too. If you click at a word, the Greek
> translation appears:
> http://www.earlychurchtexts.com/main/creeds/homoean_creed_of_constantinople_360.shtml
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> 2015-01-01 22:04 GMT+01:00 Dicentis a <roellingua at ...>:
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> The Nicene Creed in Gothic can be found here:
> https://gutrazda.wordpress.com/neogothic/other-stuff/writings/nicene-creed/
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> As for your problem with the Greek text. Unfortunately it won't be
> available at this website, but if you want to translate parts of the Bible
> in the future, Biblehub can be a great resource with Greek to English
> word-for-word translations:
> http://biblehub.com/interlinear/apostolic/john/1.htm
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> 2015-01-01 22:00 GMT+01:00 Marja Erwin marja-e at ... [gothic-l] <
> gothic-l at yahoogroups.com>:
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> I’m trying to translate that of Constantinople 360. I haven’t seen any of
> Gothic translation of this one, or of Wulfila’s personal creed as recorded
> by Auxentius [which has nagging gaps anyway].
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