Histling-l Digest:Glottopedia
Scott
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Sat Jan 26 03:46:35 UTC 2008
A source such as Glottopedia will be invaluable so long as additions
are reviewed for accuracy of content before posting along with the
credentials of the would-be poster. I am not proposing that a
poster needs a PhD in linguistics, just that the sources used are
cited and are reputable. I would also hope that all viewpoints will
be accepted: Saint Noam is not the be-all and end-all of linguistics.
Association in the public mind with Wikipedia would severely curtail
our effectiveness.
Scott Catledge
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1. Glottopedia, the free online encyclopedia of linguistics
(Martin Haspelmath)
2. Re: Glottopedia, the free online encyclopedia of linguistics
(Peter Hook)
3. Re: Glottopedia, the free online encyclopedia of linguistics
(Martin Haspelmath)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 08:22:32 +0100
From: Martin Haspelmath <haspelmath at eva.mpg.de>
Subject: [Histling-l] Glottopedia, the free online encyclopedia of
linguistics
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Dear HistLingers,
You may be interested in Glottopedia (http://www.glottopedia.org), the
free reference site for linguists by linguists.
Glottopedia differs from Wikipedia in that (i) its content is much more
specialized (e.g. you'll be able to find articles on items such as
"cryptanalysis", "syntacticization", "xenism", "rich agreement", "loan
translation", "adfix"), and (ii) users must have an account to edit
articles, and they must be linguists with an academic background.
Moreover, Glottopedia focuses on *dictionary articles* rather than
survey articles of the sort that are found in Wikipedia (and various
specialized linguistics handbooks). But each dictionary article
(protentially) provides more information than just a definition: It also
gives examples, synonyms, other meanings of the term, the origin of the
term, some key references, and a translation into other languages
(Glottopedia is a multilingual enterprise; so far there are articles in
English and German, but it is hoped that more languages will follow soon).
Glottopedia also has articles on linguists, but unlike Wikipedia, which
aims to restrict its articles to "notable people", Glottopedia
potentially has articles on all linguists. (However, Glottopedia's
articles on living linguists are restricted to links, in order to avoid
problems of personality rights.)
Eventually we also want to add articles about all languages and language
families (with detailed references), and articles about things that we
need for our everyday work (such as journals, conferences,
institutions), but at the moment this is mainly an idea for the future.
We feel that Glottopedia is a resource that the field of linguistics
really needs, and we hope that you will all contribute to it. Some of us
have taught courses in which the assignment to the students was writing
dictionary articles on some technical terms. We think that especially
advanced students, who do not have easy access to other forms of
publications, will find that Glottopedia gives them a great chance to
make a contribution to the field.
Martin Haspelmath
--
Martin Haspelmath (haspelmath at eva.mpg.de)
Max-Planck-Institut fuer evolutionaere Anthropologie, Deutscher Platz 6
D-04103 Leipzig
Tel. (MPI) +49-341-3550 307, (priv.) +49-341-980 1616
Glottopedia - the free encyclopedia of linguistics
(http://www.glottopedia.org)
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 10:26:11 -0500
From: "Peter Hook" <peter.e.hook at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Glottopedia, the free online encyclopedia of
linguistics
To: "Martin Haspelmath" <haspelmath at eva.mpg.de>
Cc: histling-l at mailman.rice.edu
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Dear All,
This proposal seems to turn its back on the universality and interdependency
of human knowledge. No discipline is an island. Linguistics (or at least
some linguists) prides itself on being a "window on the mind" and a bridge
to a dozen other fields (philosophy, logic, psychology, rhetoric,
communication, sociology, cryptology, anthropology, cultural studies,
semiotics, education, language learning...) Why can't the intellectual
investments requested be made to Wikipedia? Or Wiktionary? Or at least be
shared with Wikipedia and Wiktionary?
Sincerely, Peter Hook
On 1/25/08, Martin Haspelmath <haspelmath at eva.mpg.de> wrote:
>
> Dear HistLingers,
>
> You may be interested in Glottopedia (http://www.glottopedia.org), the
> free reference site for linguists by linguists.
>
> Glottopedia differs from Wikipedia in that (i) its content is much more
> specialized (e.g. you'll be able to find articles on items such as
> "cryptanalysis", "syntacticization", "xenism", "rich agreement", "loan
> translation", "adfix"), and (ii) users must have an account to edit
> articles, and they must be linguists with an academic background.
>
> Moreover, Glottopedia focuses on *dictionary articles* rather than
> survey articles of the sort that are found in Wikipedia (and various
> specialized linguistics handbooks). But each dictionary article
> (protentially) provides more information than just a definition: It also
> gives examples, synonyms, other meanings of the term, the origin of the
> term, some key references, and a translation into other languages
> (Glottopedia is a multilingual enterprise; so far there are articles in
> English and German, but it is hoped that more languages will follow soon).
>
> Glottopedia also has articles on linguists, but unlike Wikipedia, which
> aims to restrict its articles to "notable people", Glottopedia
> potentially has articles on all linguists. (However, Glottopedia's
> articles on living linguists are restricted to links, in order to avoid
> problems of personality rights.)
>
> Eventually we also want to add articles about all languages and language
> families (with detailed references), and articles about things that we
> need for our everyday work (such as journals, conferences,
> institutions), but at the moment this is mainly an idea for the future.
>
> We feel that Glottopedia is a resource that the field of linguistics
> really needs, and we hope that you will all contribute to it. Some of us
> have taught courses in which the assignment to the students was writing
> dictionary articles on some technical terms. We think that especially
> advanced students, who do not have easy access to other forms of
> publications, will find that Glottopedia gives them a great chance to
> make a contribution to the field.
>
> Martin Haspelmath
>
> --
> Martin Haspelmath (haspelmath at eva.mpg.de)
> Max-Planck-Institut fuer evolutionaere Anthropologie, Deutscher Platz 6
> D-04103 Leipzig
> Tel. (MPI) +49-341-3550 307, (priv.) +49-341-980 1616
>
> Glottopedia - the free encyclopedia of linguistics
> (http://www.glottopedia.org)
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 16:44:43 +0100
From: Martin Haspelmath <haspelmath at eva.mpg.de>
Subject: Re: [Histling-l] Glottopedia, the free online encyclopedia of
linguistics
To: Peter Hook <peter.e.hook at gmail.com>
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The answer is simple: Wikipedia and Wiktionary are intended as reference
works for lay people, whereas Glottopedia is intended as a reference
work for specialists. The two groups of people clearly have different
needs. I certainly wouldn't profit from Wikipedia articles written by
physicists that discuss recent issues in solid-state physics, so I'm
glad that Wikipedia articles are written for people like me.
Given its goals, Wikipedia has to limit its scope: In the category of
biographical articles, for instance, it admits only articles about
"notable" people. Glottopedia has no such constraints: It can have
articles about all linguists, including e.g. all those forgotten
speaker-linguists that have made such an enormous contribution to our
field but are not even known to most linguists because they don't show
up at conferences and rarely get their names on publications (often
they're called "informants").
So although Wikipedia's scope is breathtaking and its success is
phenomenal, there is a need for reference information beyond Wikipedia.
Ideally, we'd have a resource where I can get a complete list of
references published on a given (smaller) language, or by a given
linguist, or a complete list of all BLS conferences with the conference
program, etc., and it is quite possible that such a resource can be
achieved by the combined efforts of linguists.
Martin Haspelmath
Peter Hook wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> This proposal seems to turn its back on the universality
> and interdependency of human knowledge. No discipline is an island.
> Linguistics (or at least some linguists) prides itself on being a
> "window on the mind" and a bridge to a dozen other fields (philosophy,
> logic, psychology, rhetoric, communication, sociology, cryptology,
> anthropology, cultural studies, semiotics, education, language
> learning...) Why can't the intellectual investments requested be made
> to Wikipedia? Or Wiktionary? Or at least be shared with Wikipedia
> and Wiktionary?
>
> Sincerely, Peter Hook
>
>
> On 1/25/08, *Martin Haspelmath* <haspelmath at eva.mpg.de
> <mailto:haspelmath at eva.mpg.de>> wrote:
>
> Dear HistLingers,
>
> You may be interested in Glottopedia (http://www.glottopedia.org), the
> free reference site for linguists by linguists.
>
> Glottopedia differs from Wikipedia in that (i) its content is much
> more
> specialized (e.g. you'll be able to find articles on items such as
> "cryptanalysis", "syntacticization", "xenism", "rich agreement", "loan
> translation", "adfix"), and (ii) users must have an account to edit
> articles, and they must be linguists with an academic background.
>
> Moreover, Glottopedia focuses on *dictionary articles* rather than
> survey articles of the sort that are found in Wikipedia (and various
> specialized linguistics handbooks). But each dictionary article
> (protentially) provides more information than just a definition:
> It also
> gives examples, synonyms, other meanings of the term, the origin
> of the
> term, some key references, and a translation into other languages
> (Glottopedia is a multilingual enterprise; so far there are
> articles in
> English and German, but it is hoped that more languages will
> follow soon).
>
> Glottopedia also has articles on linguists, but unlike Wikipedia,
> which
> aims to restrict its articles to "notable people", Glottopedia
> potentially has articles on all linguists. (However, Glottopedia's
> articles on living linguists are restricted to links, in order to
> avoid
> problems of personality rights.)
>
> Eventually we also want to add articles about all languages and
> language
> families (with detailed references), and articles about things that we
> need for our everyday work (such as journals, conferences,
> institutions), but at the moment this is mainly an idea for the
> future.
>
> We feel that Glottopedia is a resource that the field of linguistics
> really needs, and we hope that you will all contribute to it. Some
> of us
> have taught courses in which the assignment to the students was
> writing
> dictionary articles on some technical terms. We think that especially
> advanced students, who do not have easy access to other forms of
> publications, will find that Glottopedia gives them a great chance to
> make a contribution to the field.
>
> Martin Haspelmath
>
> --
> Martin Haspelmath (haspelmath at eva.mpg.de
> <mailto:haspelmath at eva.mpg.de>)
> Max-Planck-Institut fuer evolutionaere Anthropologie, Deutscher
> Platz 6
> D-04103 Leipzig
> Tel. (MPI) +49-341-3550 307, (priv.) +49-341-980 1616
>
> Glottopedia - the free encyclopedia of linguistics
> (http://www.glottopedia.org)
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Max-Planck-Institut fuer evolutionaere Anthropologie, Deutscher Platz 6
D-04103 Leipzig
Tel. (MPI) +49-341-3550 307, (priv.) +49-341-980 1616
Glottopedia - the free encyclopedia of linguistics
(http://www.glottopedia.org)
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